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SubjectRe: HYPERTHREADING on older P4???
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Dave Jones wrote:

> It means there is one 'thread'. Ergo, you do not have the possibility
> of running this as you would a true HT P4. There are a limited number
> of Northwood P4's out there which do support HT and have >1 sibling,
> but asides from those, you'll need a Xeon to take advantage of it.

The 3.06G parts are pretty available, but the prices are just getting
silly. I suppose it will drop when the supply of parts exceeds the
demand of people who can't wait.

> There are countless rumours of being able to enable extra siblings
> by poking MSRs, but not one person has to my knowledge achieved this.
> Some folks have also allegedly found that snipping pins or wiring extra
> bits to them have enabled the 'extra sibling'. Whether this is true or
> not, and whether it is 100% equivalent to a real HT part is again,
> questionable.

There is one "fix" going around which supposedly works using the
firmware upgrade capability. I have no idea if it does or even could
work, I never had the guts to try it, because I'm not sure that changes
really go away on power cycle, and I didn't get it from a trusted
source. The idea of untrusted code running in the firmware is scarier
than booting Windows.

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Mikael Pettersson wrote:

> HT-capable P4s decide at RESET (or INIT?) time whether to enable
> the second thread or not by sampling one of the data or address pins.
> The chipset is supposed to drive that pin low or high according to
> how HT has been set up in the BIOS. This is mentioned in the
> 3.06 GHz P4 data sheet.

This is my understanding, and it makes the idea of a firmware fix sound
more possible, by just enabling the 2nd sibling if HT capability exists.
I'll still let wonone else check it out first...

bill davidsen <>
CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979.

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