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    Subjectdialectical deprecation Re: cdrecord hangs my computer
    Martin J. Bligh wrote:

    >>In contrast, the old cdrecord interfaces are an UNBELIEVABLE PILE OF CRAP!
    >>It's an interface that is based on some random hardware layout mechanism
    >>that isn't even TRUE any more, and hasn't been true for a long time. It's
    >>not helpful to the user, and it doesn't match how devices are accessed by
    >>everything else on the system.
    >>
    >>It's bad from a technical standpoint (anybody who names a generic device
    >>with a flat namespace is just basically clueless), and it's bad from a
    >>usability standpoint. It has _zero_ redeeming qualities.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >I think the appropriate phrase is "user malevolent" software. Making
    >the user interface fit some arcane technica rather than the user is
    >rather tragic. Reality is quite complicated enough as it is, without
    >deliberately setting out to make it more so.
    >
    >M.
    >
    >
    Today I realize that it's not double deprecation, it's dialectical
    deprecation, for a user who gets caught between the deprecation
    of ide-scsi and cdrecord targbuslun "flat" naming and then the
    cdrecord error message when trying to use a full devpath. The
    user's head is volleyed back and forth as cdrecord maintains
    its "denial".

    cdrecord whines about the full devpath in the first instance,
    will not work if I use 1,0,0 in both places, but seems to
    catch a clue about the devpath stub from the first instance
    in order to use its 1,0,0 nomenclature below that.

    #/etc/default/cdrecord
    CDR_DEVICE=ATAPI:/dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/generic
    #ATAPI:1,0,0 won't work in CDR_DEVICE, but...
    yamaha= ATAPI:1,0,0 -1 -1 ""

    I'm scared(under-informed) to drop ide-scsi since
    I'm using 3ware and don't know if just scsi-generic
    would be enough for that hd controller(needs ide-scsi?
    3ware's site doc is not easy to find).

    -Bob

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