This message generated a parse failure. Raw output follows here. Please use 'back' to navigate. From devnull@lkml.org Fri Apr 26 15:27:22 2024 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.116.70.75]) by kylie.puddingonline.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0458bo27357 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 06:08:38 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:58:27 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:58:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-outbound.cwctv.net ([213.104.18.10]:45334 "EHLO smtp.cwctv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:58:26 -0500 Received: from cwctv.net ([172.16.33.41]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:03:50 +0000 From: To: rms@gnu.org, mark@mark.mielke.cc, billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 05:05:28 +0000 Subject: RE:Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in non-free drivers? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Liberate TVMail 2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1041656728267" Message-Id: <01cd25003050413DTVMAIL11@smtp.cwctv.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --1041656728267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linus didnt write all of the files they use, so he has no right to give permission. Dean McEwan, If the drugs don't work, [sarcasm] take more...[/sarcasm]. On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:30:32 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote: --1041656728267 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:27:22 +0000 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18UYSe-0004v1-00; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:30:32 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: mark@mark.mielke.cc CC: billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br, Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-reply-to: <20030103075134.GA31357@mark.mielke.cc> (message from Mark Mielke on Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:51:34 -0500) Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in non-free drivers? Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <20030102013736.GA2708@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030102055859.GA3991@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030102061430.GA23276@mark.mielke.cc> <20030103075134.GA31357@mark.mielke.cc> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:30:32 -0500 Return-Path: rms@gnu.org You don't seem to mind the fact that my freedom to use Linux would be hampered if you successfully prove that [non-free] modules for Linux are illegal. I'm not trying to prove this--as I see it, Linus gave permission for them, which means they are legal. I regret his decision to do this, but I cannot change it. But let's suppose that that were changed. It would not affect your "freedom" to use Linux (and GNU/Linux), only whether it runs on a certain computer. It is true that this might mean a practical sacrifice--you might have to get a different kind of computer, for instance. I don't see that as a horrible thing. We look for computers that work with free drivers; you can too. You don't really have freedom now, if you need a non-free module. In the long run, your best chance of being able to use a fully free GNU/Linux system on the hardware you use is if we stand firm together for the freedom of the system. If open source is so good, companies with closed source products will change. I don't support the open source movement, but I know what they say about this. They say that open source usually leads to more powerful and reliable software. Nothing assures us that will persuade all companies to adopt the practice. You have simplified their position to a point where they would not recognize it. You seem to be saying that we should sit back and let these inevitable forces either convince all companies to make software free--or not. If we had such a passive attitude, no free system would exist. GNU/Linux exists because of people who were willing to work to have freedom. Freedom does not yet prevail, and we have plenty more work to do to make that happen. And after we fully have freedom, we will still have to work, to make sure we don't lose it. --1041656728267-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/