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From devnull@lkml.org Tue Apr 23 14:00:32 2024 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.116.70.75]) by kylie.puddingonline.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h026Rjo01315 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:27:45 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:17:48 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:17:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-outbound.cwctv.net ([213.104.18.10]:2117 "EHLO smtp.cwctv.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:17:46 -0500 Received: from cwctv.net ([172.16.33.41]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:26 +0000 From: To: paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rms@gnu.org Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:30 +0000 Subject: RE:Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Liberate TVMail 2.6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1041488730704" Message-Id: <0217c2625060213DTVMAIL2@smtp.cwctv.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --1041488730704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit linus cant alter the GPL, which is gooooood :-), he cant change the license at all... Imagine the people that would sue :-). Dean McEwan, If the drugs don't work, [sarcasm] take more...[/sarcasm]. On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Paul Jakma wrote: --1041488730704 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.116.70.75]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:30:36 +0000 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:22:52 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:22:52 -0500 Received: from hibernia.jakma.org ([212.17.32.129]:6276 "EHLO hibernia.jakma.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:22:51 -0500 Received: from fogarty.jakma.org (IDENT:PdCp5QtFgA2grkBheD0MZp0P/N0LGalA@fogarty.jakma.org [192.168.0.4]) by hibernia.jakma.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h020VBO15991; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:31:11 GMT Received: from localhost (paul@localhost) by fogarty.jakma.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h020VDJ12820; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:31:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: fogarty.jakma.org: paul owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:31:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Jakma X-X-Sender: paul@fogarty.jakma.org To: Rik van Riel cc: Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, , Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NSA: iraq saddam hammas hisballah rabin ayatollah korea vietnam revolt mustard gas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: linux-kernel-owner+Hell.Surfers=40cwctv.net@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Rik van Riel wrote: > Copyright law is pretty explicit about the situations the GPL > applies to. If something can be reasonably considered to be a > "derivative work" of a GPL work, the GPL applies and the new work > needs to be GPL. and: > but only a song. If nvidia's driver only uses some simple > declarations from include files and no large (>7 lines? >10lines? > what's large?) inline functions AND the nvidia driver uses only the > standard interfaces to hook into the Linux kernel, then it's not a > derivative work and nvidia gets to choose the license. It has long been held that linking to GPL code is suffient to consitute 'derived work' status, hence the existence of the LGPL. The NVidia shim makes use of several kernel subsystems, the PCI device layer, the VM, the module system (well really, the kernel makes of use of the functions the module provides :) ), IRQ subsystem, the VFS, etc.. These systems are rather large bodies of code - without which the NVidia kernel driver could not work. So I am not quite sure on what basis one could argue the NVidia driver is not a derivative work, and hence it seems to me the NVidia driver is technically in material breach of GPL. You seem to be basing your opinion on: "the nvidia driver uses only the standard interfaces to hook into the Linux kernel" How are the standard interfaces not covered by the GPL? I know Linus' has often posted to l-k that he doesnt care about binary only modules as long as they stick to the exported interfaces. However, are all the kernel developers agreed on this? And if so, can this exception be formalised and put into the COPYING file? If not, then is NVidia not in breach of the kernel's licence? > Rik regards, -- Paul Jakma paul@clubi.ie paul@jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A warning: do not ever send email to spam@dishone.st Fortune: Programmers do it bit by bit. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ --1041488730704-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/