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SubjectRe: v2.6 vs v3.0
On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 05:38:17PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 29 2002, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Most of my boxes won't even run a 2.5 tree yet. I'm sure its hardly
> > unique. Middle of November we may begin to find out how solid the core
> > code actually is, as drivers get fixed up and also in the other
> > direction as we eliminate numerous crashes caused by "fixed in 2.4" bugs
> Well why don't they run with 2.5?
> Alan, I think you are a pessimist painting a much bleaker picture of 2.5
> than it deserves. Sure lots of drivers may be broken still, I would be
> naive if I thought that this is all changed in time for oct 31. Most of
> these will not be fixed until people actually _use_ 2.5 (or 3.0-pre, or
> whatever it will be called), and that will not happen until Linus
> actually releases a -rc or similar. And so the fsck what? Noone expects
> 2.6-pre/3.0-pre to be perfect.

Ok, after losing a disk in the early 2.5 series, and not being able to
compile pretty much any kernel since 2.5.33, I decided to give 2.5.39 a
try last weekend.

Built kernel, rebooted, almost seems to get stuch during the ide-probing
(10 seconds wait is a conservative estimate), but it came up in single
user. Checking for errors in /proc/kmsg, nothing. Great reboot
multiuser start X open a window lose all access to my keyboard. Completely
log in remotely with ssh, hmm kernel errors about unknown scancodes.

Reboot, just don't use X for the moment, maybe I can catch an oops,
lockup during boot while loading the uhci usb driver. Alt-sysrq works,
another fsck later (these seem to take a lot longer, but that could be
subjective). Disable hotplug/usb during startup, reboot, within 2
minutes orinoco_cs driver locks up and starts throwing debugging goo
about transmit timeouts and resetting card. Nice, except for the fact
that interrupts seem to be disabled and this time magic-sysrq doesn't

Pull the battery out to be able to reboot the laptop, and went back to
2.4.20-latest for now. 2.5.33 did work mostly (after fixing up a bunch
of compile fixes and the oss cs4281 driver), but seems to last only
about 1 hour on battery life vs. the solid 3 1/2 hours with a 2.4 kernel.
All of this is on a Thinkpad X20, which doesn't have a serial console.

Using APM, not ACPI. But this is not a bugreport, because I haven't even
got a chance to isolate any single problem in a way that I can create a
useful report.

> I'm not worried.

I am a bit worried, at least as far as Coda is concerned, there is a lot
of unmerged stuff, and as long as I can't do any testing of the changes
it is a bit useless to send them off to Linus. I hope things stabilize
before the feature freeze.


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