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Subjectglibc is the culprit - Re: vfs.txt and i_ino
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At 21:17 31/01/02, Eli Carter wrote:
>Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Eli Carter wrote:
> > > It appears that struct inode i_ino has a special value of 0. I don't
> > > see a mention of that in vfs.txt, and I haven't found anything obvious
> > > in the fs code... Would it be possible to add some documentation of
> > > that, along with an explaination of what i_ino==0 is supposed to
> > > indicate? (Bad/invalid inode?)
> >
> > i_ino = 0 is perfectly valid and is in fact one of the system files in
> > NTFS. And accessing inode 0 from user space works fine, too. The only
> > thing which is odd is that a simple "ls" (or "ls -l") doesn't show the
> > file with i_ino=0, while an explicit ls a-la "ls \$MFT" (or "ls -l \$MFT")
> > does show the file. I believe this to be purely a userspace problem but
> > when I looked at the /bin/ls source I got scared and ran away... A short
> > investigation into /bin/ls source didn't make anything obvious appear but
> > I do think it is /bin/ls at fault and not the kernel...
> >
> > So I guess my point is that i_ino=0 is not special as far as the kernel is
> > concerned.
>Hmm... 'ls -al' doesn't show the file for me. I was using i_ino=0 for
>the root inode, and found that 'ls -al' did not display '.' or '..'. It
>very well may be a user-space error... do you know who I should ask
>about it?

The culprit hiding inode zero is now found.

Rogier Wolff wrote a new tiny ls version using man 3 readdir, provided by
glibc and this does not show inode zero.

I rewrote that to use man 2 readdir and it now shows inode zero. (I also
tried man 2 getdents, which gives the same result, i.e. inode zero is shown.)

So glibc is for some reason hiding inode zero from us...

Would the glibc developers care to comment?

Best regards,


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