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    SubjectRe: hidden interface (ARP) 2.4.20

    [Maybe we should discuss this in private, it doesn't have a lot to do
    with kernel development anymore.]

    > Because when you have to deal with thousands of session per second, NAT is
    > really a pain in the ass. When you have to consider security, NAT is a pain

    Not with a HW LB, and with a SW LB (LVS-NAT) you can very well sustain
    20000 NAT'd load balanced connections with 5 minutes of stickyness
    (persistency) with 1GB RAM and a PIII Tualatin with 512 kb L2 cache. I'm
    not sure if you meant this when mentioning pain.

    > too because it makes end to end tracking much more difficult when you deal with
    > multiple proxy levels. And last but not least, there are protocols that don't

    Security mustn't rely on the LB with such a high volume traffic service.
    You need a carefully designed firewall framework. At least in the setups
    I've been dealing with LBs (a couple dozen) this was the case. Load
    balancing a service with multiple proxies doing NAT certainly imposes an
    additional problem when doing proper end-to-end healthchecking, but is
    nothing that couldn't be solved or would be extremely difficult.

    > like NAT. Simply think about a farm of FTP servers. It's really easy to
    > load-balance internet clients on it with redirection (call it as you like) using
    > a hash algorithm. NAT would be more difficult.

    I agree completely with this one. Don't get me wrong, I also most of the
    time deploy a LB using the redirection method.

    > I personnaly suggested and used both NAT and redirection at a big customer's
    > site. NAT was there only to be compatible with broken systems that would never
    > handle redirection right, in the event we would have to use them. But at the

    HP/UX < 11i is such an example of horribly broken system. It can still
    be solved with direct routing (redirection, triangulation) but you need
    additional NICs.

    > moment it's already the first source of architectural problems.

    Best regards,
    Roberto Nibali, ratz
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