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    SubjectRe: The end of embedded Linux?

    WHOOPS! Amen!

    Andre Hedrick
    LAD Storage Consulting Group

    On Sat, 5 Oct 2002, Mark Mielke wrote:

    > You could always try examining the code for yourself and making a
    > suggestion regarding inappropriate dependencies, or bloated
    > dependencies. One of the problems you have here is... Linux 'hackers'
    > are not trying to sell you an embedded solution. If anything, you
    > are getting a freebie, and you should be gracious that you don't
    > have to pay full price for a commercial solution...
    >
    > Other members of the 'hacker computer' who work for companies that use
    > Linux in their embedded product tend not to scream and complain. Instead,
    > they roll up their sleeves and get to it...
    >
    > One of the methods described above has a better chance of being effective.
    >
    > Which one do you think that might be? :-)
    >
    > mark
    >
    > P.S. Linux 2.5 is a development kernel - the fact that is isn't polished
    > to your liking is not a surprise. It isn't polished to *many* peoples
    > likings, which is the primary reason that people such as myself have
    > not installed it.
    >
    >
    > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 01:52:38PM -0700, Gigi Duru wrote:
    > > Now thats some advice from a kernel hacker... You
    > > really don't seem to care too much about embedded, do
    > > you?
    > >
    > > It's not about what I do not do, it's about what YOU
    > > do (I'm not talking to you personally, but to the
    > > hacker community as a whole). The kernel core didn't
    > > jump to 270KB compressed because I didn't do
    > > something.
    > >
    > > Let me reformulate for you:
    > > * some years ago, (2.2 era) I was more than happy
    > > about embedding Linux.
    > > * along came 2.4, and things got fuzzy (should we move
    > > on, or stick to the good ol' stuff?)
    > > * now, 2.6 (or whatever) seems like a very bad choice
    > > for us.
    > > * I wonder about the next one (2.8/whatever): will it
    > > require a mainframe to run?
    > >
    > > It's the trend, you see: you were on the right track
    > > but now you're loosing it. From the embedded point of
    > > view, YOU ARE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
    > >
    > > And don't give me the "use 2.2" advice. Stuff is being
    > > back-ported, I know, but not all of it.
    > >
    > > Why are old versions being actively maintained anyway?
    > > Isn't that a realization that those old versions are
    > > better suited for some tasks than the new one? Why
    > > would anyone choose to use 2.2? Because it serves him
    > > better.
    > >
    > > Now, why is 2.2 serving someone better than 2.4?
    > > That's something I'd like you to answer...
    > >
    > > The beauty of Linux was it's scalability (I'm not
    > > talking SMP here): you had the same kernel running on
    > > the appliance, on the PC and on that mainframe. Things
    > > were smooth, things were perfect. I would have loved
    > > to preserve that...
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Gigi
    > >
    > > --- Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Well have a nice day and go pay for windriver
    > > > licenses, or use the source
    > > > to adopt to your needs, or hire somebody who can do
    > > > it for you.
    > > > Whinning will not help, doing will.
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > >
    > > > Andre Hedrick
    > > > LAD Storage Consulting Group
    > > >
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