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    SubjectRe: What's left over.
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:54:54 -0800 (PST), Linus Torvalds
    <> wrote:

    >Guys, why do you even bother trying to convince me? If you are right, you
    >will be able to convince other people, and that's the whole point of open
    >Being "vendor-driven" is _not_ a bad thing. It only means that _I_ am not
    >personally convinced. I'm only one person.

    It sounds to me like there needs to be L-K traffic when problems are
    solved using LKCD.

    Personally I love crash dumps... in 33 years of computing I have spent
    a total of 1-2 years doing nothing but enhancing and developing
    post-processing facilities. The true benefit is not just the "crashed
    here, add a null check nonsense". It is the ability to examine the
    whole system state. With an inboard trace table, you can even go back
    in time. You can look at call stacks, locks held, state of allocated
    memory, etc etc. If you save callstacks and time with allocated
    memory, you can track down storage growth problems. I have spent weeks
    winkling problems out of crash dumps, solving problems the developers
    didn't even know existed.

    With the right facility you can take crash dump snapshots and keep on
    running. It is a great tool for understanding a system.

    But until there is a flow of results - good quality fixes - resulting
    from such analysis, I can see exactly why LT is doubtful.

    john alvord
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