Messages in this thread |  | | From | Timothy Covell <> | | Subject | Re: [patch] Re: Framebuffer...Why oh Why??? | | Date | Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:00:13 -0600 |
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On Monday 31 December 2001 15:41, Rob Landley wrote: > On Sunday 30 December 2001 07:19 pm, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Timothy Covell wrote: > > > When X11 locks up, I can still kill it and my box lives. When > > > framebuffers crash, their is no recovery save rebooting. Back in 1995 > > > I thought that linux VTs and X11 implemenation blew Solaris out of the > > > water, and now we want throw away our progress? I'm still astounded > > > by the whole "oooh I can see a penquin while I boot-up" thing? > > > Granted, frame buffers have usage in embedded systems, but do they > > > really have to be so deeply integrated?? > > > > They aren't. > > > > No sane person should use frame buffers if they have the choice. > > > > Like your mama told you: "Just say no". Use text-mode and X11, and be > > happy. > > > > Some people don't have the choice, of course. > > > > Linus > > X11 isn't always an improvement. I've got an X hang on my laptop (about > once a week) that freezes the keyboard and ignores mouse clicks. Numlock > doesn't change the keyboard LEDs, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE won't do a thing, and > although I can ssh in and run top (and see the CPU-eating loop), kill won't > take X down and kill-9 leaves the video display up so the console that > thinks it's in text mode, but isn't, is still useless. (And that's > assuming I'm plugged into the network and have another box around to ssh in > from...) > > Compiling a debug version of X to run under gdb via ssh is on my to-do > list... > > A userspace program that takes over your main I/O devices modally and keeps > them if it hangs isn't THAT much better than having the kernel ignore you > directly... > > Rob
Well laptops traditionally are made with some rather funky stuff. And laptops are made to be shutdown and restarted often, so I'd just make sure that I ran ReiserFS and/or ext3 on it and be happy when it works at all.
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