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    SubjectRe: 2.4 VM & swap question
    On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 10:48:36AM -0700, Tom Rini wrote:
    > 'lo all. I've got a question about swap and RAM requirements in 2.4. Now,
    > when 2.4.0 was kicked out, the fact that you need swap=2xRAM was mentioned.
    > But what I'm wondering is what exactly are the limits on this. Right now
    > I've got an x86 box w/ 128ram and currently 256swap. When I had 128, I'd get
    > low on ram/swap after some time in X, and doing this seems to 'fix' it, in
    > 2.4.4. However, I've also got 2 PPC boxes, both with 256:256 in 2.4. One
    > of which never has X up, but lots of other activity, and swap usage seems
    > to be about the same as 2.2.x (right now 'free' says i'm ~40MB into swap,
    > 18day+ uptime). The other box is a laptop and has X up when it's awake and
    > that too doesn't seem to have any problem. So what exactly is the real
    > minium swap ammount?

    It completely totally and absolutely depends on the kind of workloads you put
    your system under.

    I have a database server with 1G phys and 1G swap. It uses 950+ MB for cache,
    as it should, and doesn't even *touch* swap. This is 2.4.5.

    I have another box with 384MB phys and 1G swap, and it's usually a few hundred
    megs into swap. That's what long-running memory hogs and big compilers do.

    There is no simple answer. swap = 2*phys may be reasonable for some desktop
    uses, I don't know. But there *is* *no* *simple* *answer*.

    With the amount of work that's gone into just *understanding* why the VM
    behaves as it does (even after the VM rewrite that was done exactly in order to
    come up with a VM we could *understand*), it's beyond me how anyone can even
    begin to think that one can define a set of simple and exact rules for minimum
    or "optimal" (whatever that means) values for swap.

    (if I sound pissed, don't worry, I'm not. I'm frustrated, that's different ;)
    : : And I see the elder races, :
    :.........................: putrid forms of man :
    : Jakob Østergaard : See him rise and claim the earth, :
    : OZ9ABN : his downfall is at hand. :
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