On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote:

> Well, you're maintainer and I'm obviously not, but it's nice to hear you've 
> kept an open mind on this issue. :)

I have seen one version and I got physically sick.

> > All I want is the API rules to the signatures and we have them now.
> >
> > We do not need their driver.
> 
> Reinventing the wheel can be fun.  Richard Stallman's been doing that for

Assuming that the first thing presented was a round one and not the 
flat-sided square that is being misrepresented.

> > Stating/Implying that Linux Maintainers do not care about "quality".
> 
> "Quality" is a loaded word in marketing circles, due to ISO nine zillion and

We all know this, and it was their intent to slap around the idea that we
lack quality.

> You are aware that you were speaking to a marketing person from Promise, 
> correct?  (He admitted it and everything.  We didn't even have to use 
> thumbscrews.  Kind of a waste to get them all out and oiled and everything in 
> that case...)

No, because marketing people have at least three faces.

> > Oh it gets much worse, but I want to see if the sales for Promise have hit
> > hard enough to break their linux-unfriendly additude.
> 
> The dude came hat in hand into the linux-kernel mailing list asking how he 
> could play nice with us, (apparently honestly not knowing,) and you bit his 
> head off.

Like I said, he is a lamb in a slaughter house that Promise created.
It was just this year (late-April) that Promise came "HAT and Hand" and
"Knife in the Other" and I got suckered again.

> I don't think sales have hit hard enough to overcome THAT just yet.  But I 
> could be wrong...

 36 Apr 10 James Baker - PTE   (9,744) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 37 Apr 11 support@promise.co  (1,243) Re: RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 38 Apr 11 Daron Keith        (10,549) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 39 Apr 11 support@promise.co  (1,243) Re: RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 40 Apr 11 James Baker - PTE  (11,069) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 41 Apr 11 Daron Keith        (33,973) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales

#41 was a VIRUS sent to me to Damage and or Destroy my work.

 42 Apr 11 James Baker - PTE   (2,944) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 43 Apr 11 support@promise.co  (1,243) Re: RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 44 Apr 11 support@promise.co  (1,249) Re: RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 45 Apr 11 Billy Harrison      (4,691) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 46 Apr 11 support@promise.co  (1,249) Re: RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 47 Apr 11 Daron Keith         (6,967) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 48 Apr 11 Billy Harrison      (7,323) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 49 Apr 11 support@promise.co  (1,249) Re: RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 50 Apr 11 Billy Harrison     (10,213) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 51 Apr 12 James Baker - PTE   (2,339) RE: lack of Linux support hurt sales
 52 Apr 12 James Baker - PTE   (1,524) Update <subject change>

> > Mind you the came begging for help because their sales are off, and I was 
> > willing to help on the terms of GPL/GNU and mine.  But GPL/GNU was to big 
> > to choke down.
> 
> Okay, THERE is the problem.  Halfway through the message.  Why not start with 
> that next time?

Because I am a lamer in email and prefere face to face.

> If the problem is that the code will not be made available under the GPL, 
> then of course that IS an insurmountable problem for getting it included in 
> the kernel.  But it's entirely possible that our marketing friend didn't know 
> that.  It's entirely possible he doesn't know what the GPL -IS-.  (If you've 
> been sharing a private conversation with him that hasn't been CC'd to the 
> list, than obviously I could be wrong about this...)

I am sorry to chuckle but people have lost their jobs at Promise over
working with me to bring that company closer to GPL.  The guys that this
has happened to I offered to help them out but they managed on their own.

> > When the sales hurt enough and they have not choice, I will reconsider.
> 
> No, hopefully THEY will reconsider.  You couldn't get Linus to accept non-gpl 
> code either.

No, I will reconsider, since we are assuming that they are coming back
with two hats, one in each hand.  This one hat one hand thing hurts.

> > Breathe, because you die before I change my position, if you are hold a
> > breath.
> >
> > I do not trust Promise, and three years of their general arrogance is more
> > than enough.  
> 
> I honestly doubt that the suit who just wandered through has a clue what the

They do not wear "suits", thanks for the laugh!

> GPL is.  He's not a lawyer, and he doesn't write free software.  If he really 
> was trying to help, and he was new to this, woudn't it be a nice first 
> impression to clearly say "this licensing issue is blocking the inclusion of 
> your code" so he knows what the problem is rather than "we're biased against 
> promise, so we're going to pick on you and call you names?"
> 
> > Mind you that at one point I had two people in the San Jose
> > office that were friendly be they are now gone.
> 
> If you've approached every new person from promise this way ever since, I'm 
> not exactly suprised you haven't met more like them.  (I honestly hope that 
> the previous sentence was a harsh and unfair assessment, and that you haven't 
> been doing that.)

It is unfair, because I got screwed by Promise just this past April.
It was the last time and I told them that fact.

> No corporation is truly a monolithic entity.  It's just a bunch of disjointed 
> individuals who spend a lot of time in meetings filling out forms.  You can 
> deal with them as a faceless professional with a known set of duties, or you 
> can try to deal with them as a human being.

In this case you are wrong and I wish you were not.

Lastly, I gave this fellow my mobile cell-number and told him that I do
not want his driver, I want honesty and that I am mad and tired of the
story-line and "Broken Promise's" that they send and sell.

So Craig, my phone has not rung or your story has not changed.

Regards,

Andre Hedrick
Linux ATA Development



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