Messages in this thread | | | Date | Thu, 17 May 2001 19:18:28 -0700 | From | Jonathan Lundell <> | Subject | Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants |
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At 11:23 PM +0200 2001-05-17, Kai Henningsen wrote: >jlundell@pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell) wrote on 15.05.01 in ><p05100316b7272cdfd50c@[207.213.214.37]>: > >> What about: >> >> 1 (network domain). I have two network interfaces that I connect to >> two different network segments, eth0 & eth1; they're ifconfig'd to >> the appropriate IP and MAC addresses. I really do need to know >> physically which (physical) hole to plug my eth0 cable into. > >Sorry, the software doesn't know that. Never has, for that matter.
Well, no, it doesn't. That's a problem. Jeff Garzik's ethtool extension at least tells me the PCI bus/dev/fcn, though, and from that I can write a userland mapping function to the physical location. My point, though, is that finding the socket is a real-life problem on systems with multiple interfaces. I don't expect the kernel to know the physical locations, but the user has to be able to get from kernel/ifconfig names (eth#) to sockets, one way or another. Support for a uniform means of doing the mapping, even if it needs userland help, would be good.
> > (Extension: same situation, but it's a firewall and I've got 12 ports >> to connect.) (Extension #2: if I add a NIC to the system and reboot, >> I'd really prefer that the NICs already in use didn't get renumbered.) > >Make your config script look at the hardware MAC addresses. Those don't >change.
They're not necessarily unique, though.
> > 2 (disk domain). I have multiple spindles on multiple SCSI adapters. >> I want to allocate them to more than one RAID0/1/5 set, with the >> usual considerations of putting mirrors on different adapters, >> spreading my RAID5 drives optimally, ditto stripes. I need (eg) SCSI >> paths to config all this, and I further need real physical locations >> to identify failed drives that need to be hot-replaced. The mirror >> members will move around as drives are replaced and hot spares come >> into play. > >Use partition UUIDs, or SCSI serial numbers, or whatever. This works >today.
This pushes the problem back in time: I need to write the UUID, for example, at some point. And, with hot-swappable drives, I'm still interested in the physical location. I really know know that there's a good answer to this problem, especially with FC, but I need to tell an operator, "replace this particular physical drive". It doesn't do any good to tell the operator the UUID.
> > Seems like more that merely informational. > >The *location*? Nope. Some unique id for the device, if available at all: >sure.
What good does it do to tell an operator to connect a cable to a MAC address? Or to remove a drive having a particular UUID? If it's "mere information", it's *necessary* mere information.
> > (A side observation: PCI or SCSI bus/device/lun/etc paths are not >> physical locations; you also need external hardware-specific >> knowledge to be able to talk about real physical locations in a way >> that does the system operator any good.) > >And those you typically do not have.
But (ideally) should.
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