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SubjectRe: Special Kernel Modification
From said:
> So, to summarize, you could use a VM, and it'd work well for
> containment, but it'd be pretty useless as far as performance, ease
> of administration, and scaling go.

Yeah, that's mostly wrong.

> Comments?

They follow...

> 1) There is a fairly significant overhead due to running inside a VM,
> which would certainly pile up over multiple invocations. Besides the
> overhead of the VM, you have the have the additional overhead caused
> by such things as having multiple running kernels doing exactly the
> same thing, all running seperate copies of the required system
> daemons.

This can be minimized. What the original poster asked for is a one-application
jail. So, you boot up a filesystem that runs only that app, perhaps even
as the init process. No system daemons, nothing but the app and whatever it

> Now, try 30 people all running from VMs. They all must have a seperate
> copy of the otherwise sharable portions of StarOffice, and all of its
> dependancies. Memory pressure quickly rises, and it will start
> swapping out one copy of StarOffice in favour of an identical portion
> of another copy (!). System quickly becomes unusable.

Nope. Duplicate block caching can be eliminated by making the root filesystem
a COW device ( and
mounting it sychronously. COWing it will allow it to be shared among all VMs,
with any changes being stored in the private COW file. Mounting it synchronous
will disable caching in the VM. So, for a number of virtual machines, there
will be, in total, slightly more than one copy of their data in the host's

Another possibility is hostfs. You can directly mount a host directory
inside UML. That can obviously be shared between UMLs, so you again
eliminate all the duplication.

> 2) Upgrading/changing the system configuration would require modifying
> -all- of the VMs. This could be partially alleviated by using an NFS
> root, but then the overhead mentioned above becomes even more looming

This is a problem for a COWed block device, but it's trivial for a shared
hostfs directory. Just dump the new bits in.


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