lkml.org 
[lkml]   [2001]   [Oct]   [4]   [last100]   RSS Feed
Views: [wrap][no wrap]   [headers]  [forward] 
 
Messages in this thread
/
Date
From
SubjectRe: Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries?

On 4 Oct 2001, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> First what user space really wants is the MAP_COPY. Which is
> MAP_PRIVATE with the guarantee that they don't see anyone else's changes.

Which is a completely idiotic idea, and which is only just another example
of how absolutely and stunningly _stupid_ Hurd is.

The thing with MAP_COPY is that how do you efficiently _detect_ somebody
elses changes on a page that you haven't even read in yet?

So you have a few choices, all bad:

- immediately reading in everything, basically turning the mmap() into a
read. Obviously a bad idea.

- mark the inode as a "copy" inode, and whenever somebody writes to it,
you not only make sure that you do copy-on-write on the page cache page
(which, btw, is pretty much impossible - how did you intend to find all
the other _non_COPY_ users that _want_ coherency).

You also have to make sure that if somebody changes the page, you have
to read in the old contents first (not normally needed for most
changes that write over at least a full block), but you also have to
save the old page somewhere so that the mapping can use it if it faults
it in later. And how the hell do you do THAT? Especially as you can
have multiple generations of inodes with different sets of "MAP_COPY"
on different contents..

In short, now you need filesystem versioning at a per-page level etc.

Trust me. The people who came up with MAP_COPY were stupid. Really. It's
an idiotic concept, and it's not worth implementing.

And this all for what is a administration bug in the first place.

In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won't end up like the Hurd
people.

Linus

-
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

\
 
 \ /
  Last update: 2005-03-22 13:04    [W:0.145 / U:7.000 seconds]
©2003-2020 Jasper Spaans|hosted at Digital Ocean and TransIP|Read the blog|Advertise on this site