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SubjectRe: [ANNOUNCE] Withdrawl of Open Source NDS Project/NTFS/M2FS for Linux
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Damien Miller wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, David S. Miller wrote:
>
> > > (What means 'social engineering attempts'?)
> >
> > Attempting to change people's habits by making it hard to debug.
> >
> > Hard work now leads to less work later.
>
> Lots of people (myself included) would like to be able to debug and
> generally hack the Linux kernel but cannot due to lack of time and the
> steep learning curve imposed by the lack of a debugger and good
> documentation.

Gdb stub has been available for quite some time, so the 'no debugger'
argument doesn't fly ;-) The learning curve _is_ steep, but a debugger
doesn't flatten it one bit. It's all that conceptual stuff that makes
it so steep, and (drat) debuggers don't have a grok-concept command.

> Not everyone has the time or resources to put in the "hard work" now.
>
> Tools like a KDB would make the kernel a lot more accessible to the
> time-poor.

Kdb is available to all. I think it should be _integrated_ mostly
because of the (potential) improvement in bug report quality.

If it _were_ integrated, more folks would be tempted to rummage around
trying to solve problems by themselves. Having that resource at your
disposal dares you to make an attempt.. and learn in the process. It
encourages growth.

-Mike (who now shuts his yap;)

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