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SubjectRe: [ANNOUNCE] Withdrawl of Open Source NDS Project/NTFS/M2FS for Linux
   Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:00:13 +1200
From: Chris Wedgwood <>

Right now as I see it (pretending everything is black and white);
you, Dave, Linus and a few other people[1] are more than happy with
debugging aids as they exist right now in a stock kernel.

However, there are many many other people far less talented than
yourselves and for use less capable people having a compile time
options of IKD or something might really be of use....

I think what it comes down to is that the folks who know the tree the
best and do the most work/fixing in it, think the debugging stuff
should remain a seperate patch.

We believe that it doesn't belong in the main source tree mainly
for two reasons:

1) It is clutter. I don't want to see the debugging/debugger code
when most of the time it serves no purpose.

NOTE: This is different than "BUG()" and "ASSERT()" which serve
a different purpose becuase they not only act as a
consistency check, but they also _document_ how the author
of the code believed the world around it must behave :-)

2) It is hoped that because it isn't the default, some new people
will take the quantum leap to actually try debugging using the
best debugger any of us have, our brains, instead of relying on
automated tools.

David S. Miller
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