Messages in this thread |  | | Date | Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:31:55 +1200 | From | Chris Wedgwood <> | Subject | Re: [ANNOUNCE] Withdrawl of Open Source NDS Project/NTFS/M2FS for Linux |
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On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:02:46PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
2) It is hoped that because it isn't the default, some new people will take the quantum leap to actually try debugging using the best debugger any of us have, our brains, instead of relying on automated tools.
Face it Dave -- you are just smarter than many of the rest of us. You might not need certain debugging aids, some people _right now_ do (at at the very least will benefit from them).
Maybe debugging aids should be excluded from the kernel for various reasons, I'm not commenting on that, but expecting the rest of the world to get smarter all of a sudden isn't very realistic.
Perhaps you would like to describe how you do debug the kernel? I ask this because I use printf more often than anything else when debugging userland code and I often use printk when debugging the kernel.
Only, with the former, I get to restart the application everytime it croaks, with the latter (modules excluded) I have to reboot. This is much more time consuming and means you really have to be much smarter about what checks and printk statements you put in where... the hope is with more intelligent debugging aids I can glean more information for each reboot.
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