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SubjectRe: [Semi-OT,important] ORBS globally blocks users of these lists
In <Pine.LNX.4.21.0001181733400.19772-100000@james.kalifornia.com> Blu3Viper (david@killerlabs.com) wrote:
B> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Khimenko Victor wrote:
>> > No. The policy is not needed. It is needed that you can track down
>> > spammers and make them pay, and you can track open relay and have them
>> > pay as well, since they helped the spammer.
>>
>> You understood that it's not possible, right ? The only way to make someone
>> pay here (in Russia) is come to him with big gun - it's almost impossible to
>> do via court even in FAR more obvious situations. And Russia is not the only
>> such place in the world.
>>
>> In ideal world ORBS is not needed and perhaps even amoral. Unfortunatelly we
>> do not live in ideal world :-(

B> Should we then blacklist all .ru email because nothing else can be done in
B> recourse to any spam originating from there?

If you do not need Kuznetsov's networking fixes, Savochkin's changed drivers
and so on you are free to do this.

B> Sound pretty drastic? It's not too far off the netblock blacklist policy.

Hmm. It's far easier to change ISP (especially in US where exist far more
then one ISP) then to change country. But yes, difference is not that big.
Feel free to start OCBL (Offensive Countries Black List) if you wish (perhaps
there are alredy exist one). I'm not sure if vger will use your list though...

P.S. It's my last mail on subject. Arguments are repeating itself and I'll not
see something REALLY new I'll not reply. Since DaveM and Matti made their
feelings clear and will not change their mind without new FACTS this discussion
does not belond to l-k anymore.


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