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SubjectRe: Unexecutable Stack / Buffer Overflow Exploits...
On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Gregory Maxwell wrote:

> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:36:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: Gregory Maxwell <>
> To: Horst von Brand <>
> Cc: Robert Dinse <>,
> Subject: Re: Unexecutable Stack / Buffer Overflow Exploits...
> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Horst von Brand wrote:
> [snip]
> > Where do you think script kiddies get their exploit scripts from? They
> > don't write them themselves: The real crackers share them with the
> > community. Just like the hacker community shares patches and cool
> > programs. So you can keep out 99.99% only until one of the 0.01% finds out
> > a way around it. The danger of "nonexecutable stack" is that it creates a
> > sense of security, which might be justified as long as it is rare. Once it
> > becomes widespread, it will be useless in short time, and _everybody_ will
> > have to pay the cost for nothing at all, while feeling smugly secure.
> Here is where the real argument lives.
> You are claiming that the patch adds no real security. You clame it does
> nothing more then moving to a non-popular arch would do.
> I disagree. The patch actually makes creating this type of attack much
> harder, and in some cases impossible.
> The effectiveness of this patch comes from two places:
> A) It's rare and breaks all existing attacks.
> B) I actually makes that class of attack harder to accomplish.
> Just because A will go away if this patch were everywhere, you still
> derrive additional security from B.

And it's a layer... Nothing is 100%, but the more layers a perp has to
get through to gain access, the better the odds that they won't succeed.

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