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    SubjectRe: Are SMP spinlocks safe in WB cached mem?
    Thank you for your prompt and informative response.

    Erich Boleyn wrote in small part:

    > protocol, but I'm pretty darn sure that only one processor is allowed
    > to own a cache-line in the M or E states at any one time.

    I believe it too. Table 9-3 [I'd post it if it wasn't mangled]

    > First of all, for the LOCK to only go as far as the cache, then
    > the line must be in a either of the M or E states. If it is in
    > an S state, it must get into one of the M or E states first.

    Agreed as well per 9-3. But if you write to an S line, it becomes E.

    > The WB memory type is very definitely the one you want to use. It
    > is coherent, just not from the perspective of hardware devices
    > on the bus. Using WT or UC would add complexity (since you have to
    > set it up), and simply lose you performance.

    Agreed WT/UC loses performance, but maybe not much if only accessed
    via spinlocks with their LOCK semantics. For normal DRAM it's terrible!

    My vision is a single 4kB kernel WT/UC page dedicated to spinlocks.
    Setup isn't difficult, but administering the addresses might be.
    Users would be on their own with WB spinlocks, or maybe the
    kernel could serve one.

    > For hardware devices, you have to use UC to make sure the actual bus
    > cycles are the right ones, since the very act of doing a read or
    > a write of a particular size, for example, might be recognized and
    > used by a particular device.

    No kidding. It seems like some 82443BX chips didn't like 16 bit
    data reads (masking bit 0) and had to be read 32 bits.

    -- Robert

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