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SubjectRe: Boot Logo Questions....
ketil@ii.uib.no wrote:
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> Gavin David McNair <gavinm@jumper.mcc.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > in a world whre 99% of users use windows and have never heard of unix
> > it is intimidating......
>
> > these users should be given a way of having a plain simple Linux OS rather
> > than the sensible powerfull linux were used to.
>
> I didn't think I would follow up more on this thread.
>
> One of the reasons I like Linux so much better than Win* and most other
> operating systems, is the fact that it doesn't try desperately to hide
> and/or abbreviate error messages all the time. It was written by and
> for the technically inclined, people who aren't scared of knowing what
> IRQ their network card is using.

I agree with you 100%
This is why usability features at the sacrifice of verbosity should not
be the "default"

>
> This is why Linux was built, this is why so many extremely technically
> competent people are using it extensively.

Agreed.
But Linux is technically superior and is free. This is why it also makes
a good workstation os for joe user!
It has potential to go mainstream and is making significant inroads. We
have to help a little. The Gnome people are doing their part. New Apps
are being written in gtk every few days. Mozilla will add to this. The
kernel people can help a little bit also.

>
> Perhaps this *is* harmful for the acceptance of Linux among the unwashed
> masses, perhaps Linux should adopt Win* habit of reporting error
> messages like "Your network doesn't work" or, for that matter, "Unknown
> error". I don't think so. I think exposure to the technical verbosity
> of Linux makes it - not simple, but at least straightforward - for users
> to increase their knowledge and technical understanding.
>

Once again. Agreed. I dont think Linux is excessively verbose. I'm just
saying that firstly, dumbing down error messages should not be the
default. (If at all!) What i am saying is that there is room to make
Linux look better without sacrificing anything. (see my previous post).
Again, ALL OF THESE things should not be the default.

I think the best (default) role of Linux is a lean mean server machine.
However, with a little effort it can be transformed into a decent
workstation OS. Something we would not have recommended 1 year ago. Just
today I converted a Windows95 DELL workstation into a Linux workstation
running X/WindowMaker/Mozilla. T

> I've seen this happen - people who got tired of certain other OSes
> faults, installed Linux, and revelled in learning the ins and outs of
> the system. People without a deep technical background.
>

You dont need to know how an engine works to drive a car.
But the car should be built to allow mechanics to work and tinker around
with it properly.
This is what the proponents of this whole eye-candy thing are saying.

> I think that the more you try to hide complexity, the less people will
> try to understand that complexity, and of course, the more tempting it
> will be to sacrifice order, structure and cleanliness in design, in
> order to make things even neater and prettier on the surface.
>

joe user doesn't care if his ide uses irq 14.. he doesnt know what an
"irck (irq)" is. It SCARES him. he comes running and emails
support@voxel.net saying your machine says i have an "IRCK 14" but it
scrolls to fast.

I on the other hand want to know what going on with my hardware.



> I think the "world domination - fast" slogan is misplaced, or at least
> misinterpreted (implying universal and exclusive usage). The user
> community with strong technical skills is in my opinion one of the major
> strengths of Linux. It would be okay if Linux was adopted by the
> millions who use other OSes on their desktops, but I doubt it would make
> a great contribution to the OS quality or functionality.
>
> ~kzm

I personally think that if Linux wants to grow it has to have a world
domination fast attitute. I am sure alot of people will agree with me on
this one. We cannot compete with the MS marketing machine.

If on the other hand, you think linux is not a workstation OS.. then
dont bother commenting. I know what your going to say

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