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    SubjectRe: GGI Project Unhappy On Linux
    On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 04:27:01PM +0200, Jari Soderholm wrote:
    > So if you want make Linux popular among other people than Unix hackers
    > you will need something else than X.
    > Things what people want (this may be really difficult for some to believe)
    > - graphics interface which is so low level that it gives the programmer
    > complete freedom (for example implement even X above it)
    > - is simple to learn
    > - is stable
    > - takes little memory.
    > - offers complete control for graphics hardware.
    > - Is fast
    > These above are all opposite on what X offers.

    That is wrong. This is what low-level hackers want.

    What people want is, at user level:
    - A nice flashy looking GUI used by all applications
    - More or less working inter-application communications (dnd, c/p)
    - Programs, programs, and programs

    and at programmer level:
    - Powerful widgets with everything already included (i18n, threading,
    layout, high-level copy/paste, drag-n-drop, ...)

    Other considerations like speed, resources taken or remote access are

    The success of Netscape Communicator, Enlightenment or Kde proves

    All that is completely outside the scope of the kernel[1].

    This does not mean that something like kgi is good or bad. And it is
    true that X is humungus, monolithic and has its problems. But let's
    not have a wrong grip on the reality. X more or less does its job.


    [1] Some things like garbage-collecting sysv-like possibly distributed
    IPCs may help though.

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