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    SubjectRe: GGI Project Unhappy On Linux
    On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 04:27:01PM +0200, Jari Soderholm wrote:
    > So if you want make Linux popular among other people than Unix hackers
    > you will need something else than X.
    >
    > Things what people want (this may be really difficult for some to believe)
    > - graphics interface which is so low level that it gives the programmer
    > complete freedom (for example implement even X above it)
    > - is simple to learn
    > - is stable
    > - takes little memory.
    > - offers complete control for graphics hardware.
    > - Is fast
    >
    > These above are all opposite on what X offers.

    That is wrong. This is what low-level hackers want.

    What people want is, at user level:
    - A nice flashy looking GUI used by all applications
    - More or less working inter-application communications (dnd, c/p)
    - Programs, programs, and programs

    and at programmer level:
    - Powerful widgets with everything already included (i18n, threading,
    layout, high-level copy/paste, drag-n-drop, ...)

    Other considerations like speed, resources taken or remote access are
    secondary.

    The success of Netscape Communicator, Enlightenment or Kde proves
    that.

    All that is completely outside the scope of the kernel[1].

    This does not mean that something like kgi is good or bad. And it is
    true that X is humungus, monolithic and has its problems. But let's
    not have a wrong grip on the reality. X more or less does its job.

    OG.

    [1] Some things like garbage-collecting sysv-like possibly distributed
    IPCs may help though.

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