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    SubjectRe: Internationalizing Linux
    Kurt Garloff wrote:

    > On Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:52:17AM +0900, Drago Goricanec wrote:
    > > On 03 Dec 1998 16:25:16 +0100, Jes Sorensen writes:
    > > > Oh and how to you expect kernel hackers to be able to help debug a
    > > > problem when someone posts dmesg output in Chinese to linux-kernel?
    > >
    > > So is that why the old IBM mainframes tagged every system message with
    > > a unique identifier?
    >
    > And it's a very good idea. If you want to create tools which parse your
    > logs, you probably don't want to scan for multiple languages ...
    >
    > > > We've had this discussion before, about a year ago I think, forget it
    > > > once and for all, please.
    > >
    > > I think having messages appear in the sysadmin's native language has
    > > merit. The front line for Linux support is moving away from this
    > > list.
    > >
    > > Once messages permeate back to this list, they can be converted back
    > > to English just as the original message was converted originally to
    > > the native language.
    >
    > Which is much harder for the sysadmin than understanding the meaning of an
    > english message.
    >
    > I'd suggest the following: Add numbers to the printk messages and leave the
    > english as it is.
    > printk ("<4> [00002] Calibrating delay loop ... [] 12.32 BogoMIPS");
    > (We don't want userspace tools to translate these numbers into english.
    > Think of installation or boot problems.) You can create a userspace tool to
    > pick up these numbers, to remove the english text and put the native
    > language text instead. [00002] would be translated into "Kalibriere
    > Verzoegerungsschleife ..." (german, in my native language) and [] would not
    > be translated.
    > klogd would normally (option) just strip these [00002] and [] messages, but
    > with a plugin module for translation it will remove the english text and put
    > the text delivered by the translator instead. There are grammar problems for
    > some languages with such an approach, however.

    *****

    I think it would probably be easy to use kernel modules instead of userspace
    proggies.....

    ***** (just in case you don't notice me..... ;))

    >
    >
    > I'm very satisfied with kernel messages in english. And I'm rather annoyed
    > to have the glibc display perrors in german: When programming my own little
    > tools, I create error messages this way:
    > if (errno)
    > fprintf (stderr, "tool: Can't open file \"foo\": %s\n", strerror(errnor));
    > which results in bilingual messages.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --
    > Kurt Garloff <K.Garloff@ping.de> (Dortmund, FRG)
    > PGP key on http://student.physik.uni-dortmund.de/homepages/garloff
    >
    > Microsoft gives you Windows, Linux gives you the whole house
    >
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