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    SubjectRe: lack of raw disk devices
    Ralf wrote:
    >On Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 05:11:11PM -0500, wrote:
    >> Hey.... I may have said this to the list already, but, is it possible to just
    >> make an ioctl() for the block devices that turns off the buffering? Seems a
    >> more elegant solution than having a two device files for every single block
    >> device.
    >That's at least what legacy software expects ...
    >The whole matter is a bit more complicated because some devices (actually
    >a whole lot of intelligent hardware) do massive reordering of pending i/o
    >requests. So a real solution has to include work on device driver level.
    >Somebody is actually working on that but it will take a while.

    How is it different? With the different devices method you have to
    reconfigure the driver when doing open(), and with the ioctl method you need
    to do that when you do the ioctl(). Btw, what happens when you try to use
    both the buffered and the unbuffered device?-)

    The only advantage I see in implementing the raw device instead of the ioctl
    is that you can use software like "dd" on it without modifying its sources.
    But why not implement both? The raw device could be just like the block
    device, it would only have the raw behavior as default..

    It would be nice to have a finer control of the caching/etc. than
    raw/non-raw/O_SYNC though. Imagine telling the kernel that "my access
    pattern for this file is linear/completely random/probably around previous
    access", or that "don't cache reads, but do read-ahead of 4 MB if possible".
    I imagine that xanim/mpg123/etc. would use the last one..
    And maybe the kernel wouldn't need to exactly honor that "no caching"
    request, it would only mark it as freed memory or something (I don't know
    much about mm internals) so if there's lots of free memory around it would
    still be cached, but if need arises they will be the *first* pages to go.

    Did you hear that there's a group of South American Indians that worship
    the number zero?

    Is nothing sacred?

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