Messages in this thread | | | Date | Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:01:58 -0700 (PDT) | From | "Jon M. Taylor" <> | Subject | Re: Console mapping problems? [I hear about these - I wanna know!] |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
OK guys, you asked for it....
> > Yes - but device access MUST be _moderated_ by the kernel! > > (unlike X) > > But that's neither here nor now - and noone is likely to allow this into > > the kernel even if it worked <sigh>. Been through that fight before > > (though I was a spectator the last time). > > I disagree; an arbiter process (such as the X server) can do that just > as well as the kernel.
No it cannot. Not even close.
> I think people are being too absolutist about > this.
Sure, here we go again with the assertion that video hardware is somehow so very very diferent from all other kinds of hardware in a computer that it must be handled in a way that is markedly different (and inferior). It is *quite* obvious to all of us involved in the GGI project that this is very much not the case, and since we have been hacking the kernel for over two years now I would say that we come from a far more knowledgeable perspective on this issue than most on this list, at least moreso than those who seem to not be able to resist GGI-bashing.
> Of course, the fact that the GGI people so far has failed to > produce anything but hot air sort of reinforces that feeling....
Give me a break. When was the last time you looked at our code? We have produced a hell of a lot more than hot air, and we'd be making even more progress if people on this list would come work with us instead of whining on this list when they need the odd bit of font setting or whatever in the kernel.
The fact continues to remain that there is no other coding effort in the Linux community relating to kernel graphics/console subsystem revision that is anywhere close to as advanced as the GGI is now. We have a very active mailing list, our source tree grows daily, progress is very rapid these days and we have all the elements of a completely new and very advanced and flexible console subsystem replacement already worked out. Drivers are getting written, bugs are getting fixed, and progress is being made.
We walk the walk while others merely talk the talk. We are not afraid to defend the validity of our ideas (on this list or anywhere else), and back them up with running code. Given the scope of the GGI project (an almost total rewrite of the Linux console subsystem), we are doing pretty damn well, thank you very much, especially when you consider the almost total lack of cooperation and assistance we have recieved from the rest of the core kernel development team (exceptions noted - we know who you are and we thank you).
In conclusion, I suggest that everyone on this list go visit http://synergy.foo.net/~ggi, read the FAQ, download the GGI source tree, and educate themselves about this issue. It is NOT going to go away, and neither are we.
Jon "GGI is The Right Thing To Do (TM)" Taylor
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