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SubjectRe: [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework
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On 06/06/2018 06:26 PM, Quentin Perret wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 Jun 2018 at 16:29:50 (+0100), Quentin Perret wrote:
>> On Wednesday 06 Jun 2018 at 17:20:00 (+0200), Juri Lelli wrote:
>>>>> This brings me to another question. Let's say there are multiple users of
>>>>> the Energy Model in the system. Shouldn't the units of frequency and power
>>>>> not standardized, maybe Mhz and mW?
>>>>> The task scheduler doesn't care since it is only interested in power diffs
>>>>> but other user might do.
>>>>
>>>> So the good thing about specifying units is that we can probably assume
>>>> ranges on the values. If the power is in mW, assuming that we're talking
>>>> about a single CPU, it'll probably fit in 16 bits. 65W/core should be
>>>> a reasonable upper-bound ?
>>>> But there are also vendors who might not be happy with disclosing absolute
>>>> values ... These are sometimes considered sensitive and only relative
>>>> numbers are discussed publicly. Now, you can also argue that we already
>>>> have units specified in IPA for ex, and that it doesn't really matter if
>>>> a driver "lies" about the real value, as long as the ratios are correct.
>>>> And I guess that anyone can do measurement on the hardware and get those
>>>> values anyway. So specifying a unit (mW) for the power is probably a
>>>> good idea.
>>>
>>> Mmm, I remember we fought quite a bit while getting capacity-dmpis-mhz
>>> binding accepted, and one of the musts was that the values were going to
>>> be normalized. So, normalized power values again maybe?
>>
>> Hmmm, that's a very good point ... There should be no problems on the
>> scheduler side -- we're only interested in correct ratios. But I'm not
>> sure on the thermal side ... I will double check that.
>
> So, IPA needs to compare the power of the CPUs with the power of other
> things (e.g. GPUs). So we can't normalize the power of the CPUs without
> normalizing in the same scale the power of the other devices. I see two
> possibilities:
>
> 1) we don't normalize the CPU power values, we specify them in mW, and
> we document (and maybe throw a warning if we see an issue at runtime)
> the max range of values. The max expected power for a single core
> could be 65K for ex (16bits). And based on that we can verify
> overflow and precision issues in the algorithms, and we keep it easy
> to compare the CPU power numbers with other devices.

I would say we need 1). 32bit values with units and proper documentation
of the possible ranges.

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