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    SubjectRe: [PATCH 04/10] x86/cet: Handle thread shadow stack
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    On 06/07/2018 08:21 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
    > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 7:41 AM Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> When fork() specifies CLONE_VM but not CLONE_VFORK, the child
    >> needs a separate program stack and a separate shadow stack.
    >> This patch handles allocation and freeing of the thread shadow
    >> stack.
    >
    > Aha -- you're trying to make this automatic. I'm not convinced this
    > is a good idea. The Linux kernel has a long and storied history of
    > enabling new hardware features in ways that are almost entirely
    > useless for userspace.
    >
    > Florian, do you have any thoughts on how the user/kernel interaction
    > for the shadow stack should work?

    I have not looked at this in detail, have not played with the emulator,
    and have not been privy to any discussions before these patches have
    been posted, however …

    I believe that we want as little code in userspace for shadow stack
    management as possible. One concern I have is that even with the code
    we arguably need for various kinds of stack unwinding, we might have
    unwittingly built a generic trampoline that leads to full CET bypass.

    I also expect that we'd only have donor mappings in userspace anyway,
    and that the memory is not actually accessible from userspace if it is
    used for a shadow stack.

    > My intuition would be that all
    > shadow stack management should be entirely controlled by userspace --
    > newly cloned threads (with CLONE_VM) should have no shadow stack
    > initially, and newly started processes should have no shadow stack
    > until they ask for one.

    If the new thread doesn't have a shadow stack, we need to disable
    signals around clone, and we are very likely forced to rewrite the early
    thread setup in assembler, to avoid spurious calls (including calls to
    thunks to get EIP on i386). I wouldn't want to do this If we can avoid
    it. Just using C and hoping to get away with it doesn't sound greater,
    either. And obviously there is the matter that the initial thread setup
    code ends up being that universal trampoline.

    Thanks,
    Florian

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