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SubjectRe: [PATCH 3/3] ima: use fs method to read integrity data (updated patch description)
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On 17/09/17 17:38, Al Viro wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 09:34:01AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> Now, I suspect most (all?) do, but that's a historical artifact rather
>> than "design". In particular, the VFS layer used to do the locking for
>> the filesystems, to guarantee the POSIX requirements (POSIX requires
>> that writes be seen atomically).
>>
>> But that lock was pushed down into the filesystems, since some
>> filesystems really wanted to have parallel writes (particularly for
>> direct IO, where that POSIX serialization requirement doesn't exist).
>>
>> That's all many years ago, though. New filesystems are likely to have
>> copied the pattern from old ones, but even then..
>>
>> Also, it's worth noting that "inode->i_rwlock" isn't even well-defined
>> as a lock. You can have the question of *which* inode gets talked
>> about when you have things like eoverlayfs etc. Normally it would be
>> obvious, but sometimes you'd use "file->f_mapping->host" (which is the
>> same thing in the simple cases), and sometimes it really wouldn't be
>> obvious at all..
>>
>> So... I'm really not at all convinced that i_rwsem is sensible. It's
>> one of those things that are "mostly right for the simple cases",
>> but...
> The thing pretty much common to all of them is that write() might need
> to modify permissions (suid removal), which brings ->i_rwsem in one
> way or another - notify_change() needs that held...

For GFS2, if we are to hold the inode info constant while it is checked,
we would need to take a glock (read lock in this case) across the
relevant operations. The glock will be happy under i_rwlock, since we
have a lock ordering that takes local locks ahead of cluster locks. I've
not dug into this enough to figure out whether the current proposal will
allow this to work with GFS2 though. Does IMA cache the results from the
->read_integrity() operation?

Steve.

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