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SubjectRe: [bisected] Re: Module removal-related regression?
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 02:22:22PM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl> wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 21:09:08 +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 11:12:17AM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> >> > On September 10, 2017 11:00:10 AM PDT, Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl> wrote:
> >> > >On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 09:21:11 -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> >> > >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:03:38AM +0200, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> >> > >> > On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 13:59:25 -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> >> > >> > > On September 9, 2017 1:17:26 PM PDT, Jakub Kicinski
> >> > ><kubakici@wp.pl> wrote:
> >> > >> > > >On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 12:55:51 -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> >> > >> > > >> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Jakub Kicinski
> >> > ><kubakici@wp.pl>
> >> > >> > > >wrote:
> >> > >> > > >> > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 19:41:21 +0200, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> > > >> >> Hi!
> >> > >> > > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >> >> I'm having trouble with modules on linux/master. rmmod
> >> > >succeeds
> >> > >> > > >but the
> >> > >> > > >> >> module is still loaded and the refcount goes to 1:
> >> > >> > > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >> >> #rmmod nfp; insmod ./src/nfp.ko nfp_pf_netdev=0 ; \
> >> > >> > > >> >> /opt/netronome/bin/nfp-hwinfo -n 2 assembly.partno \
> >> > >> > > >> >> lsmod | grep nfp; \
> >> > >> > > >> >> rmmod nfp; \
> >> > >> > > >> >> lsmod | grep nfp
> >> > >> > > >> >> nfp 249856 0
> >> > >> > > >> >> nfp 200704 1
> >> > >> > > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >> >> If I rmmod again the module will be actually unloaded. The
> >> > >user
> >> > >> > > >space
> >> > >> > > >> >> is mostly Ubuntu 14.04. Has anyone seen this? I'm trying
> >> > >to
> >> > >> > > >bisect
> >> > >> > > >> >> now...
> >> > >> > > >> >
> >> > >> > > >> > Got 'em!
> >> > >> > > >> >
> >> > >> > > >> > commit 1455cf8dbfd06aa7651dcfccbadb7a093944ca65 (HEAD,
> >> > >> > > >refs/bisect/bad)
> >> > >> > > >> > Author: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
> >> > >> > > >> > Date: Wed Jul 19 17:24:30 2017 -0700
> >> > >> > > >> >
> >> > >> > > >> > driver core: emit uevents when device is bound to a
> >> > >driver
> >> > >> > > >>
> >> > >> > > >> Does it happen with all modules or only nfp one?
> >> > >> > > >>
> >> > >> > > >> It seems to work here:
> >> > >> > > >>
> >> > >> > > >> dtor@dtor-glaptop3:~ $ lsmod | grep psmouse
> >> > >> > > >> psmouse 135168 0
> >> > >> > > >> dtor@dtor-glaptop3:~ $ sudo rmmod psmouse
> >> > >> > > >> dtor@dtor-glaptop3:~ $ lsmod | grep psmouse
> >> > >> > > >> dtor@dtor-glaptop3:~ $ sudo modprobe psmouse
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > >It looks like the driver is actually reloaded. The driver used
> >> > >to
> >> > >> > > >return EPROBE_DEFER, but I think it doesn't any more (rebuilding
> >> > >the
> >> > >> > > >kernel to test that right now).
> >> > >> > > >
> >> > >> > > >Could the uevent on unbind tickle Ubuntu 14.04's udev or somehow
> >> > >> > > >else cause the driver to be loaded again?
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > It depends on how silly the udev rules are, but yes, this can
> >> > >definitely happen.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I confirmed the driver doesn't use EPROBE_DEFER any more:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > $ grep -nrI EPROBE_DEFER drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/
> >> > >> > $
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Not sure why you bring the deferrals here, they have nothing to do
> >> > >with
> >> > >> module removal. Also, deferrals are rarely issued by the leaf driver,
> >> > >and
> >> > >> more often by providers of resources (GPIO, regulator, interrupt,
> >> > >etc).
> >> > >
> >> > >Yes, it's unusual, but this driver used to do it. Which is exactly why
> >> > >I brought it up. Turns out it was irrelevant :)
> >> > >
> >> > >> > I tested without any udev rules in /etc/udev/, just the standard
> >> > >distro
> >> > >> > ones. Same thing.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Right, so this is the default udev rule:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> /lib/udev/rules.d/80-drivers.rules:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> # do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on update
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ACTION=="remove", GOTO="drivers_end"
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ENV{MODALIAS}=="?*", RUN{builtin}="kmod load $env{MODALIAS}"
> >>
> >> So if the new uevents do not have the MODALIAS line in them, then they
> >> will not trigger this? Dmitry, can you see if that would fix this
> >> problem without having to fix everyone's old versions of udev/systemd?
>
> Unfortunately MODALIAS= is being added by individual subsystems having
> their subsystem specific format. Unless you'd be OK with
> kobject_uevent_env() poking into the generated environment and zapping
> MODALIAS= environment variables for KOBJ_BIND/KOBJ_UNBIND actions.

Hm, any reason why it should be sending these values for those uevents?
I guess it's not worth hacking around in the lower levels just for this,
to work around crazy userspace stuff.

> I'm still going to submit correction for the rule to systemd folks.

Yes please.

> > Perhaps another option is dropping the unbind event? From the commit
> > message it seems like only bind is really needed ATM. Do events have
> > to be symmetrical?
>
> While you are absolutely right that bind is the most important one,
> I'd be hesitant removing unbind even though we do not have concrete
> use case for it yet. The bind operation complements unbind, so having
> bind uevent but not unbind "feels weird".

We might want to disable it for a year or so for people to catch up with
a newer version of udev/systemd, and then turn it back on?

thanks,

greg k-h

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