Messages in this thread | | | From | Ramkumar Ramachandra <> | Date | Mon, 22 Jul 2013 18:32:46 +0530 | Subject | Re: [PATCH] um: change defconfig to stop spawning xterm |
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Al Viro wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:15:14PM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote: >> Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote: >> > [1]: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-July/012152.html >> >> ... and the patches were rejected. Lennart says that UML providing >> /dev/tty* is wrong, and that UML should call them /dev/hvc* (or >> something). Can we do something about the situation? Can we remove >> /dev/tty*, and provide /dev/hvc*? Will we be breaking existing users? > > Yes, you would be breaking existing users. Starting with anybody with static > /dev. Or a debian userland, for that matter. Any systemd-free setup, > actually.
Systemd does not support a static /dev, so we're talking about non-systemd systems. Ofcourse I reject anything that breaks existing users.
> Changing device number assignments is not to be done lightly, whether > they should've been set that way back then or not.
I never proposed something as ridiculous as changing device number assignments. I'm trying to add a HVC_DRIVER to um Linux: I enabled it in the Kconfig; any idea how to get devtmpfs to populate /dev with hvc* device nodes now?
> As for Lennart's opinion... *shrug* He's free to do whatever he wants > in systemd. It does not translate into having any kind of control over > the kernel.
If you care about users, you will stop worrying about different people's "opinions", "control", and work towards a solution. I want great user-experience, period. You can continue to argue endlessly about the sanity of Lennart/systemd for all I care, but you cannot deny the fact that systemd has _users_. Users that you must support.
So, what should we do?
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