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SubjectRe: [PATCH] um: change defconfig to stop spawning xterm
Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:15:14PM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>> Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
>> > [1]: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-July/012152.html
>>
>> ... and the patches were rejected. Lennart says that UML providing
>> /dev/tty* is wrong, and that UML should call them /dev/hvc* (or
>> something). Can we do something about the situation? Can we remove
>> /dev/tty*, and provide /dev/hvc*? Will we be breaking existing users?
>
> Yes, you would be breaking existing users. Starting with anybody with static
> /dev. Or a debian userland, for that matter. Any systemd-free setup,
> actually.

Systemd does not support a static /dev, so we're talking about
non-systemd systems. Ofcourse I reject anything that breaks existing
users.

> Changing device number assignments is not to be done lightly, whether
> they should've been set that way back then or not.

I never proposed something as ridiculous as changing device number
assignments. I'm trying to add a HVC_DRIVER to um Linux: I enabled it
in the Kconfig; any idea how to get devtmpfs to populate /dev with
hvc* device nodes now?

> As for Lennart's opinion... *shrug* He's free to do whatever he wants
> in systemd. It does not translate into having any kind of control over
> the kernel.

If you care about users, you will stop worrying about different
people's "opinions", "control", and work towards a solution. I want
great user-experience, period. You can continue to argue endlessly
about the sanity of Lennart/systemd for all I care, but you cannot
deny the fact that systemd has _users_. Users that you must support.

So, what should we do?


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