Messages in this thread | | | Date | Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) | From | David Lang <> | Subject | Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML |
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Sarah Sharp wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:09:31AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 07:48 -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: >> >>>> Does that sound like there are not going to have enough direct/thick skin >>>> new kernel developers around to maintain the future Linux community? Maybe >>>> just need a better pipeline for people comfortable for this culture? >>> >>> No, we don't need a better pipeline for people who can "put up with >>> shit". We need a better pipeline for people who can work together >>> civilly, and still get shit done. >>> >>> I'm working on getting a pipeline of women into kernel development, >>> through the FOSS Outreach Program for Women. They slowly get introduced >>> to Linux development culture, starting with a very friendly separate >>> mailing list and IRC channel, and finally moving to work with a kernel >>> mentor on a bigger project on the main Linux kernel development lists. >>> We have seven women participating this round, and I suspect we'll have >>> even more the next round. >>> >>> So deal with it. You're going to have a lot more women in the kernel >>> community, and not all of them will be willing to put up with verbal >>> abuse. If you want to attract top talent that also happen to be women >>> or racial minorities, the verbal abuse needs to stop. >>> >> >> I have to ask. How much verbal abuse have you received in LKML? And I >> don't mean in this thread. > > I assume you also want me to exclude the verbal abuse and personal > threats I've received via email and my blog because of this thread. > But, just for reference, I'll post them here as well.
Not that I am in any way defending these posts, but does the behavior of outsiders like this in other forums really reflect the LKML attitude? Or does it reflect the fact that there are a lot of people out there who you really do not want to deal with (no matter what the topic)
Just about any topic that you take a firm stand on (anything other than pure status-quo), and your stand gets out to as many people as have heard about this thread, is going to generate a LOT of offensive and irrational hate messages. Linus talked about the ongoing abuse he receives earlier in the thread, so it's not just people attacking you.
David Lang
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