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SubjectRe: [PATCH] make CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL invisible and default
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On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Paul E. McKenney
<paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 03:07:24PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Paul E. McKenney
>> <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 04:18:54PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
>> >> On Sun, Oct 07, 2012 at 09:30:29AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > I think Kconfig is mostly what distro would like to use the thing is
>> >> > > the Kconfig text needs to be there upfront when its merged, not two
>> >> > > months later, since then it too late for a distro to notice.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'd bet most distros would read the warnings, but in a lot of cases
>> >> > > the warning don't exist until its too late.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the case of CONFIG_RCU_USER_QS you are quite right, the warning
>> >> > should have been there from the beginning and was not. I suppose you
>> >> > could argue that the warning was not sufficiently harsh in the case of
>> >> > CONFIG_RCU_FAST_NO_HZ, but either way it did get ignored:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe if we had a universally agreed upon tag for kconfig, like
>> >> "distro recommendation: N" that would make things obvious, and also allow
>> >> those of us unfortunate enough to maintain distro kernels to have something
>> >> to easily grep for. This would also catch the case when you eventually (hopefully)
>> >> flip from an N to a Y.
>> >>
>> >> There will likely still be some distros that will decide they know better
>> >> (and I'm pretty sure eventually I'll find reason to do so myself), but it at least
>> >> gives the feature maintainer the "I told you so" clause.
>> >>
>> >> Something we do quite often for our in-development kernels is enable something
>> >> that's shiny, new and unproven, and then when we branch for a release, we turn
>> >> it back off. It would be great if a lot of this kind of thing could be more automated.
>> >
>> > One approach would be to have CONFIG_DISTRO, so that experimental
>> > features could use "depends on !DISTRO", but also to have multiple
>> > "BLEEDING" symbols. For example, given a CONFIG_DISTRO_BLEEDING_HPC
>> > and CONFIG_DISTRO_BLEEDING_RT, CONFIG_RCU_USER_QS might eventually
>> > use the following clause:
>> >
>> > depends on !DISTRO || DISTRO_BLEEDING_HPC || DISTRO_BLEEDING_RT
>> >
>> > A normal distro would define DISTRO, a distro looking to provide bleeding-edge
>> > HPC or real-time features would also define DISTRO_BLEEDING_HPC or
>> > DISTRO_BLEEDING_RT, respectively.
>> >
>> > Does that make sense, or am I being overly naive?
>>
>> I think we should avoid any global configs that disable things. We'll
>> just end up in the same place with distros again.
>
> So you believe that we should taint the kernel or splat on boot to
> warn distros off of features that might not be ready for 100 million
> users? Or do you have some other approach in mind?

Personally, I think taint+printk seems like the right way to go.

-Kees

--
Kees Cook
Chrome OS Security


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