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    SubjectRe: [BUG] perf: bogus correlation of kernel symbols
    On Sun, 2011-05-22 at 16:49 -0700, Tony Luck wrote:
    > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Dan Rosenberg
    > <> wrote:
    > 1. Is it ok to assume the existence of rdtsc? If not, what
    > are other
    > ways of gathering entropy early in the boot process? If this
    > is the
    > approach that's going to be taken, system uptime potentially
    > becomes
    > useful for attackers. Any thoughts on how to address this?
    > There is a cpuid bit to tell you whether the processor supports rdtsc.

    This might be worth checking, but it also might just be easier to
    clearly document in the Kconfig that the feature requires rdtsc. I'll
    play with it a bit.

    > In the cold boot case, I'd worry about whether rdtsc was all that
    > random,
    > it counts from zero when the processors come out of cold reset, and
    > things should be quite deterministic up to when the kernel loads;
    > especially if you have a solid state boot drive rather than the old
    > spinning kind.

    The question really becomes whether it's "good enough". It's certainly
    not cryptographic randomness, but it will produce different results on
    different boots depending on a variety of factors, including
    out-of-order instruction execution, multi-CPU systems, and differences
    in CPU models. Even though a single machine may be slightly more likely
    to produce certain offsets more often, it seems to me that it would
    still accomplish the goal, because it's highly unlikely that an attacker
    would be able to perform the statistical analysis necessary to figure
    that out.

    > Sometime soon you'll have "rdrand" available (check a different cpuid
    > bit).

    This of course is highly preferable, but I'd rather implement a solution
    that's widely supported in hardware today. Perhaps further down the
    road it could be switched.

    > -Tony

    Thanks for the feedback.


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