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SubjectRe: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
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Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> writes:

> On Fri, 14 May 2010, Brian Swetland wrote:
>
>> In tickless mode, the time until next timer is a signed int, so the
>> longest the kernel will ever sleep is ~2 seconds at a go. In
>> practice, userspace entities often have polling behavior that can
>> trigger more often than that, and I've observed some kernel periodic
>> timers (haven't cataloged them recently) that happen more often than
>> once a second.
>
> Paul and Kevin, how does the OMAP implementation handle these
> difficulties?

just a minor clarification... these aren't OMAP-specific issues, but
generic issues to all power-sensitive kernel users.

The ~2 second limit was fixed by Jon Hunter (TI) and is in mainline
since 2.6.32[1].

For other timers, there has been active work (mostly by Intel folks)
on deferrable timers, coalescing timers, timer slack etc. that has
greatly reduced the kernel timer impact on wakeups.

> Also, how does it handle the issue of ill-behaved apps?

For userspace, apps that have polling behavior or are ill-behaved must
be found and fixed. Thanks to tools like powertop, this is a farily
easy task.

But really, I don't consider the "ill-behaved app" problem to be a
real-world problem. Both in maemo/meego and Android, if someone
writes an app that kills battery life, it will get reported as a bug,
or get bad ratings etc. On these kinds of devices, there is a *stong*
developer incentive to not write battery sucking apps.

Kevin


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commit 97813f2fe77804a4464564c75ba8d8826377feea
Author: Jon Hunter <jon-hunter@ti.com>
Date: Tue Aug 18 12:45:11 2009 -0500

nohz: Allow 32-bit machines to sleep for more than 2.15 seconds

In the dynamic tick code, "max_delta_ns" (member of the
"clock_event_device" structure) represents the maximum sleep time
that can occur between timer events in nanoseconds.

The variable, "max_delta_ns", is defined as an unsigned long
which is a 32-bit integer for 32-bit machines and a 64-bit
integer for 64-bit machines (if -m64 option is used for gcc).
The value of max_delta_ns is set by calling the function
"clockevent_delta2ns()" which returns a maximum value of LONG_MAX.
For a 32-bit machine LONG_MAX is equal to 0x7fffffff and in
nanoseconds this equates to ~2.15 seconds. Hence, the maximum
sleep time for a 32-bit machine is ~2.15 seconds, where as for
a 64-bit machine it will be many years.
This patch changes the type of max_delta_ns to be "u64" instead of
"unsigned long" so that this variable is a 64-bit type for both 32-bit
and 64-bit machines. It also changes the maximum value returned by
clockevent_delta2ns() to KTIME_MAX. Hence this allows a 32-bit
machine to sleep for longer than ~2.15 seconds. Please note that this
patch also changes "min_delta_ns" to be "u64" too and although this is
unnecessary, it makes the patch simpler as it avoids to fixup all
callers of clockevent_delta2ns().

[ tglx: changed "unsigned long long" to u64 as we use this data type
through out the time code ]

Signed-off-by: Jon Hunter <jon-hunter@ti.com>
Cc: John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
LKML-Reference: <1250617512-23567-3-git-send-email-jon-hunter@ti.com>
Signed-off-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>



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