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    SubjectRe: [git pull] drm request 3
    Pekka Enberg wrote:
    > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
    >
    >> The conclusion is crystal clear, breaking an ABI via a "flag day"
    >> cleanup/feature/etc is:
    >>
    >> - wrong
    >>
    >> - harmful
    >>
    >> - limits the developer base
    >>
    >> - limits the tester base
    >>
    >> - wastes time and effort. (fewer developers/testers means that while _this_
    >> feature was easier to add, all your _future_ features will be a bit harder
    >> to do. It compounds up.)
    >>
    >> - so it hurts even the very developer who is most convinced that this was the
    >> right thing to do
    >>
    >> It's a bad technical decision throughout. It's masochistic and often suicidal
    >> to just about any project in essence. I've seen projects that did it once and
    >> died just due to that single act of stupidity. I've seen projects that have
    >> done it a few times and took the usage hit, limped along with the wounds and
    >> never grew to the size they could have achieved. I've seen projects that did
    >> it once, took the hit, learned from it and never did it again.
    >>
    >
    > Agreed. What bothers me in this discussion is that people keep
    > bringing up the fact that nouveau is mostly developed by volunteers
    > and thus it doesn't make sense to make sure it's backwards (or
    > forwards) compatible. But the way I see it, it's the complete
    > opposite. It's _more_ important to support ABIs for community-driven
    > efforts because you're relying on people who by definition don't have
    > time to waste. While the nouveau people might have good intentions,
    > I'm afraid they might be severely limiting their developer and tester
    > base because they're not focused on real world problems (like the ones
    > Linus is seeing).
    staging != stable

    Nobody guaranteed a stable API for staging and in fact it was stated
    previously it needed to be changed. Please lets just get back to work
    and stop declaring the sky is falling.


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