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    SubjectRe: [PATCH 00/17] [RFC] AFS: Implement OpenAFS pioctls(version)s


    On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Andreas Dilger wrote:
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    > What about opening the mountpoint (which HAS to be available) and then
    > calling an ioctl() on that?

    It's very hard to "open the mountpoint" in user space. How would you even
    do it? Remember: we're not living in the 1980's any more, and disco is
    dead. ABBA may have made a comeback, but static mountpoints are long gone,
    and won't be coming back.

    These days, you can mount individual files, you can have per-process
    mounts, and automounters have been a fact for a long time.

    So I _agree_ that pioctl's are problematic, but please don't argue against
    them using _stupid_ arguments. And "open the mountpoint" really is a
    stupid argument. It not only isn't possible to do in user space, but you
    may well want to do operations on a particular path, not just the mount.

    So you'd need to open the file itself. Which might be a symlink or a
    device node, depending on the exact semantics of pioctl.

    We've traditionally had that magic "open with flag=3" to do a magic open
    of device files without waiting, and we have O_NOFOLLOW to open symlinks
    without following them (sadly, it just errors out, rather than opening the
    symlink, but that's another detail).

    So I think it should be solvable some way, but not by trying to find the
    mount point.

    Linus


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