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    SubjectRe: [PATCH 01/17] VFS: Implement the pioctl() system call
    Christoph Hellwig <> wrote:

    > > Implement the pioctl() system call. This is used to support a number of AFS
    > > functions, and could also be used for Coda and other filesystems.
    > Umm, adding a new system call multiplexer without any structure is a
    > serious no-go. And this one is much worse than ioctl, which with a
    > fixed [fd,cmd,arg] tuple seems like a stronhold of sanity compred to this
    > monster with multiple arguments and a path that may or may not be there.

    Ummm... pioctl() has lots of structure. Standard argument/reply block
    definition, for example: you get one blob of argument, you may return one blob
    of argument, you must structure your blobs such that 32-bit/64-bit
    compatibility problems don't occur. It's _much_ more structured than ioctl,
    for example.

    The main annoyance with it, as you noted, is the fact that people have treated
    the path as being optional.

    > I think you'd be better of writing tools that use a sane interface than
    > adding a big pile of crap like this to the kernel.

    Name a single sane interface that can do all that pioctl() can? There isn't
    one. You can emulate almost all of pioctl() in userspace by a combination of
    getxattr, lgetxattr, setxattr, lsetxattr, add_key, keyctl_read, and when all
    else fails, open/open-NOFOLLOW + ioctl [IF not a dev file, and IF there are no
    collisions between ioctl numbers and pioctl numbers]. In other words, a mess.

    Now, assuming I do produce such a userspace library - that does not address
    the other requirement: that of using a common set of binaries to manipulate
    both OpenAFS and kAFS without the need for recompilation. I presume you
    advocate making OpenAFS change to suit your requirements?


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