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    SubjectRe: [patch update] Re: [linux-pm] Run-time PM idea (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/2] PM: Rearrange core suspend code)
    On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Oliver Neukum wrote:

    > Am Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2009 17:22:06 schrieb Alan Stern:
    > > > > Okay, I'll agree to that.  It should be made clear that a device which
    > > > > is "suspended" according to this definition is not necessarily in a
    > > > > low-power state.  For example, before powering down the link to a disk
    > > > > drive you might want the drive's suspend method to flush the drive's
    > > > > cache, but it wouldn't have to spin the drive down.
    > > >
    > > > This precludes handling busses that have low power states that are
    > > > left automatically. If such links are stacked the management of
    > > > acceptable latencies cannot be left to the busses.
    > > > An actual example are the link states of USB 3.0
    > >
    > > I don't understand.  Can you explain more fully?
    > I am talking about the U1 and U2 feature of USB 3.0.
    > Or abstractly any power saving state that does autoresume in hardware.
    > In these cases you know that you can enter a powersaving state that
    > will add X latency.
    > In terms of user space API we'll probably add a way for user space
    > to specify how much latency may be added for power management's sake.
    > If busses are stacked the "latency budget" has to be handled at core level.
    > If furthermore states that allow IO but with additional latency are ignored,
    > the budget will be calculated wrongly.

    Okay, fine. What does this have to do with Rafael's work? Why does
    setting the status to RPM_SUSPENDED even when a device is not in a
    low-power state preclude handling buses that automatically change their
    power state?

    I don't see any connection between Rafael's work and managing
    latencies, beyond the obvious fact that a device will have a higher
    latency when it is suspended than when it isn't.

    Alan Stern

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