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SubjectRe: How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: What can OpenVZ do?

* Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:

> >> In the OpenVZ case, they've at least demonstrated that the
> >> filesystem can be moved largely with rsync. Unlinked files
> >> need some in-kernel TLC (or /proc mangling) but it isn't
> >> *that* bad.
> >
> > And in the Zap we have successfully used a log-based
> > filesystem (specifically NILFS) to continuously snapshot the
> > file-system atomically with taking a checkpoint, so it can
> > easily branch off past checkpoints, including the file
> > system.
> >
> > And unlinked files can be (inefficiently) handled by saving
> > their full contents with the checkpoint image - it's not a
> > big toll on many apps (if you exclude Wine and UML...). At
> > least that's a start.
>
> Oren we might want to do a proof of concept implementation
> like I did with network namespaces. That is done in the
> community and goes far enough to show we don't have horribly
> nasty code. The patches and individual changes don't need to
> be quite perfect but close enough that they can be considered
> for merging.
>
> For the network namespace that seems to have made a big
> difference.
>
> I'm afraid in our clean start we may have focused a little too
> much on merging something simple and not gone far enough on
> showing that things will work.
>
> After I had that in the network namespace and we had a clear
> vision of the direction. We started merging the individual
> patches and things went well.

I'm curious: what is the actual end result other than good
looking code? In terms of tangible benefits to the everyday
Linux distro user. [This is not meant to be sarcastic, i'm
truly curious.]

Ingo


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