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    SubjectRe: __weak vs ifdef

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

    > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 02:34:55AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
    > > We should make arch_pick_mmap_layout __weak and nuke that ifdef.
    > I strongly disagree. I find it makes it harder to follow code flow
    > when __weak functions are involved. Ifdefs are ugly, no question, but
    > they're easier to grep for

    Hell no, they're not.

    Our use of random HAVE_ARCH_xyz or ARCH_SUPPORTS_xyz etc stuff makes
    things _totally_ impossible to grep for.

    In contrast, it we did this code as

    #ifndef arch_pick_mmap_layout
    void __weak arch_pick_mmap_layout(struct mm_struct *mm)
    mm->mmap_base = TASK_UNMAPPED_BASE;
    mm->get_unmapped_area = arch_get_unmapped_area;
    mm->unmap_area = arch_unmap_area;

    then trying to grep for arch_pick_mmap_layout() would show EVERY SINGLE
    RELEVANT CASE! And it would show the "__weak" there too, so that once
    people get used to this convention, they'd have a really easy time
    figuring out the rules from just the output of the 'grep'.

    I really think that whoever started that 'HAVE_ARCH_x'/'ARCH_HAS_x' mess
    with totally random symbols that have NOTHING WHAT-SO-EVER to do with the
    actual symbols in question (so they do _not_ show up in grep'ing for some
    use) should be shot.

    We should never _ever_ use that model. And we use it way too much.

    We should generally strive for the simpler and much more obvious

    /* Generic definition */
    #ifndef symbol
    int symbol(..)

    and then architecture code can do

    #define symbol(x) ...

    or if they want to do a function, and you _really_ don't like the '__weak'
    part (or you want to make it an inline function and don't want the clash
    with the real declaration), then you can just do

    static inline int symbol(x)
    #define symbol symbol

    and again it all works fine WITHOUT having to introduce some idiotic new
    and unrelated element called ARCH_HAS_SYMBOL.

    And now when you do 'git grep symbol' you really will see the rules. ALL
    the rules. Not some random collection of uses that don't actually explain
    why there are five different definitions of the same thing and then you
    have to figure out which one gets used.

    > My basic point here is that __weak makes the code easier to write but
    > harder to read, and we're supposed to be optimising for easier to read.

    But your basic point is flawed. The thing you advocate is actually harder
    to read.

    Yes, if you don't follow the codign style, and you write

    int __weak

    you are (a) a moronic rebel you never understood why the declaration
    should be on one line and (b) as a result your 'grep' won't see the __weak
    and you'll be confused about the rules.

    But if we _consistently_ used

    - '#ifndef symbol' to avoid redeclaring something that the architecture

    - and '__weak' to allow architectures to just override functions without
    extra work and rules

    then after a while people would simply _know_ that very simple set of
    rules, and a 'grep' would work so much better than it does now.

    Really. Try it. Try it with 'arch_pick_mmap_layout' (with Andrews patch in
    place). And then imagine that you'd be used to '__weak', and seeing that

    mm/util.c:#ifndef arch_pick_mmap_layout
    mm/util.c:void __weak arch_pick_mmap_layout(struct mm_struct *mm)

    in the output. Be honest now - wouldn't that actually _tell_ you something
    relevant about that particular declaration? And make the fact that some
    architectures override it _less_ confusing?

    IOW, you could tell directly from the grep output that it's a "default
    fallback". Which you definitely cannot tell right now, because we have
    insane models for doing it.


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