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SubjectRe: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors
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I am an end user, I do not know precisely what bisecting means, but I
have spent some time on bug 8895, I suppose I have totally bisseced it,
but it seems that it has been lost.
It is clearly a bug and I am still patching every kernel to avoid the
fib6 crash, obviously I am the only one to get it.

It is true that kernel developper's time is more important than user's
one, but staying modest and respectfull of the brainless bisesting
users is a must! Our time is just as yours, not extensible.

Anyway, keep on the good kernel work, we all need it.


On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 15:46 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: "Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:09:11 +0200
>
> > You can't expect users to know how to debug a problem or even bisect
> > it.
>
> [ The person you are replying to was being sarcastic, BTW. ]
>
> That's not the case we're talking about in this specific instance. In
> this particular case the user is more than capable of bisecting, he
> just isn't willing to invest the time.
>
> And I'm supposed to be willing to invest the time to analyze the TCP
> dumps or whatever to diagnose the problem? And I guess I should do
> this for every single networking bug report or issue? Who is
> going to clone me and the rest of the core networking developers
> so that this is actually tenable?
>
> That's ludicrious, I don't have a reproducer, this person does. And
> if they bisect, we'll know _exactly_ what change introduced the
> problem. Then I can use my brain to figure out the correct way
> to resolve the problem.
>
> Bisecting is a mindless activity that saves developers tons of time.
>
> What people don't get is that this is a situation where the "end node
> principle" applies. When you have limited resources (here:
> developers) you don't push the bulk of the burdon upon them. Instead
> you push things out to the resource you have a lot of, the end nodes
> (here: users), so that the situation actually scales.
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