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SubjectRe: RFC: do get_rtc_time() correctly
Alan:

Thanks for the comment. I will code a patch, and include a sanity check
as you suggested, and send it for review. Just to clarify one concern
your note raised:

I understand that SMM/SMI servicing can take a long time, but SMM/SMI
shouldn't happen while interrupts are masked using local_irq_disable()
[included in spin_lock_irq()], at least on x86-architectures. If
SMM/SMI can happen even then, the NMI fix below could be generalized.

My mention of NMI (which by definition can't be masked) is because NMI
can happen even while interrupts are masked. This is a timing problem
that can't be dealt with by masking interrupts, and NMI's are used for
watchdogs, etc these days. It seems like just a general good thing to
be able to ask if an NMI has happened. A per-cpu NMI eventcount that
is incremented every NMI would allow one to detect NMI's that happen
during an otherwise masked code sequence by reading it at the beginning
and end of the code sequence. Don't know if NMIs are common on other
architectures, or if this is an architecture dependent concern.

Perhaps I'm really talking about two patches here. One for a mechanism
to detect NMIs that happen during a critical piece of code (so it can be
retried), and one that depends on that to be really proper in reading
the RTC reliably.

Alan Cox wrote:
>> So the proper way to read the RTC contents is to read the UIP flag, and
>> if zero, read all the RTC registers with interrupts masked completely,
>> so all reads happen in the 224 usec window. (NMI can still be a
>> problem, but you can have NMI's set a flag that forces a retry).
>>
>
> SMM/SMI is more likely to be what bumps you 224usec or more.
>
>
>> I'm happy to code and test a patch. Rather than just submit a patch, I
>> thought I'd request others' comments on this, since it affects so many
>> architectures. cc me, if you will, as I don't subscribe to LKML, just
>> check it periodically.
>>
>
> Go for it. The other architectures generally inherit it by inheriting
> similar bridge chips or in more modern times the RTC macrocell. It should
> also be possible to debug by putting in an optional sanity check
> initially which checks the read made sense compared to a few more
>
>
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