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SubjectRe: Hibernation considerations
On Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:29, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Alan Stern wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 wrote:
> > >
> > >>> But what about the freezer? The original reason for using kexec was to
> > >>> avoid the need for the freezer. With no freezer, while the original
> > >>> kernel is busy powering down its devices, user tasks will be free to
> > >>> carry out I/O -- which will make the memory snapshot inconsistent with
> > >>> the on-disk data structures.
> > >>
> > >> no, user tasks just don't get scheduled during shutdown.
> > >
> > > But a user task may be holding a lock which is needed for putting some
> > > device into low-power mode. It can't release that lock if it doesn't
> > > get scheduled.
> >
> > then you can't suspend that box. if you schedule it, it could get another
> > lock (or another process gets another lock)
> >
> > if you can't power down or put hardware into low-power mode without the
> > approval of userspace, you are in serious trouble.
> You don't seem to appreciate the issues involved here. Part of the
> justification for the freezer is that it doesn't need userspace
> approval and it freezes tasks at controlled points where they don't
> hold any locks.
> Never mind. It seems clear that this approach will suffer the same
> drawback as the proposal for removing the freezer from the
> suspend-to-RAM pathway. Namely, device drivers will have to be changed
> to prevent user I/O requests from proceeding while devices are supposed
> to be quiescent or in a low-power state.

I agree.

> If a driver fails to handle this properly, its device could be
> reactivated in order to service a user request before the memory
> snapshot is made. This could easily ruin the snapshot.

That's why I've been saying for quite some time that we first need to take care
of the drivers. :-)

IMO we've reached the point at which, whatever we want to do next, the drivers
are in the way.


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