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    SubjectRe: [PATCH 1/3] WAN Kconfig: change "depends on HDLC" to "select"
    Satyam Sharma wrote:
    > On 5/8/07, Randy Dunlap <> wrote:
    >> On Mon, 07 May 2007 16:31:48 -0400 Jeff Garzik wrote:
    >> > Satyam Sharma wrote:
    >> > > Yes, mixing select and depends is a recipe for build disasters. Call
    >> > > me a rabid fanatic, but I would in fact go as far as to say that this
    >> > > whole "select" thing in the Kconfig process is one big BUG, and not a
    >> > > feature. People are lazy by nature and would rather just "select" a
    >> > > dependency for their config option than burden users with several
    >> > > "depends".
    >> >
    >> > Tough, the kernel community has voted against you.
    >> Andrew (usually) implores people not to use "select" and I agree
    >> with him.
    >> > It makes far more sense to include a driver during kernel
    >> configuration,
    >> > and have that driver pull in its libraries via 'select'. The lame
    >> > alternative requires developers to know which libraries they need
    >> BEFORE
    >> > picking their drivers, which is backwards and requires legwork on the
    >> > part of the kernel developer.
    >> Developers? If you had said "users," I might agree, but IMO it's
    >> OK (or even Good) for developers to know what libraries their code
    >> uses/requires. Yes, that's a good thing.
    > You're absolutely right, but to give Jeff the benefit of the doubt I'm
    > sure he _meant_ "users" there although he said "developers". Stating
    > the obvious, the developer _has_ to know what stuff his code uses
    > anyway, otherwise what does he "select"s or "depends" his config
    > option on.
    > As for users, we _can_ avoid pitfalls by building a complete
    > dependency tree and just selecting _everything_ that we require for a
    > particular config option to be selected, but some users could
    > conceivably prefer only being _told_ about what else they need to
    > successfully pick a config option (than everything just getting in
    > behind their backs). Actually (correct me if I'm wrong), this is not
    > presently possible: an option is not visible unless dependencies are
    > already picked. Just a suggestion, though.

    That's correct for menuconfig. For xconfig, there are GUI options to
    Show Name
    Show Range
    Show Data
    Show All Options
    Show Debug Info

    I often have all of them enabled.

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