Messages in this thread | | | Date | Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:48:34 +0200 | From | "Markus Rechberger" <> | Subject | Re: [linux-dvb] Re: Critical points about kernel 2.6.21 and pseudo-authorities |
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On 4/30/07, Uwe Bugla <uwe.bugla@gmx.de> wrote: > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:58:33 +0200 > Von: hermann pitton <hermann-pitton@arcor.de> > An: Uwe Bugla <uwe.bugla@gmx.de> > CC: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, mkruky@linuxtv.org, > akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-dvb@linuxtv.org, > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Betreff: Re: [linux-dvb] Re: Critical points about kernel 2.6.21 > and pseudo-authorities > > > Am Montag, den 30.04.2007, 01:00 +0200 schrieb Uwe Bugla: > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > > Datum: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:19:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > Von: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> > > > An: Uwe Bugla <uwe.bugla@gmx.de> > > > CC: linux-dvb@linuxtv.org, mkruky@linuxtv.org, mchehab@infradead.org, > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org > > > Betreff: Re: Critical points about kernel 2.6.21 and pseudo-authorities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Uwe Bugla wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying diff and other tools in various variants (except > > > > > git-bisect that I cannot handle because I do not understand the > > practice > > > > > of it). > > > > > > > > git bisect is _really_ simple if you already have a git tree anyway. > > And > > > > even if you don't, getting one isn't really hard either. Just do > > > > > > > > git clone > > > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git > > linux-2.6 > > > > > > > > and you have a tree (it will take a little while - it's going to > > dowload > > > > about 170MB or so of stuff, so the initial clone is going to be a bit > > > > painful unless you have a fast internet connection). > > > > > > > > Once you have the git tree, assuming that 2.6.21-rc7 worked for you, > > it's > > > > really as easy as just saying > > > > > > > > git bisect start > > > > git bisect good v2.6.21-rc7 > > > > git bisect bad v2.6.21 > > > > > > > > and git will think for a short while (most of the time is going to be > > > > checking out the new tree) and give you a tree to test. > > > > > > > > Just build, boot, and test that tree. > > > > > > > > If it was fine, do > > > > > > > > git bisect good > > > > > > > > and git will pick a new tree to test. And if it wasn't, instead just > > do > > > > "git bisect bad", and git will pick _another_ version to test. Do this > > a > > > > few times, and git will tell you which commit introduced them. > > > > > > > > There were just 125 commits in between 2.6.21-rc7 and the final one, > > so it > > > > should be quite quick - bisection basically does a binary search, so > > doing > > > > seven reboots should have you with the result. > > > > > > > > The fact that it already works in 2.6.21-git2 obviously means that _I_ > > end > > > > up being less interested, but the -stable tree people would love to > > hear > > > > what broke! > > > > > > Hi again Linus, > > > my deep thanks for your excellent explication of git-bisect. > > > But I unfortunately owe a 100Kbit flatrate, and so downloading some 170 > > MB git tree will need the time amount of one entire night (11.5 kb /s if I > > am lucky - no more). > > > Just to take up a different approach: > > > > > > The difference between 2.6.21-rc7 and 2.6.21 official does not play any > > role at all. > > > > > > On the other hand I found out that: > > > 2.6.21-rc7 made my AMD K7 router work fine > > > 2.6.21 official hung my AMD K7 router up > > > 2.6.21-git1 hung my AMD K7 router up > > > 2.6.21-git2 made my AMD K7 router work. > > > > > > In so far the diff between 2.6.21-git1 and 2.6.21-git2 obviously solves > > the problem. > > > Or am I saying something wrong as far as logical terms are concerned? > > > > > > > > > > > > I like small and effective kernels instead of blown up RAM waste. > > > > > This is no Windoze, man, this is Linux! > > > > > > > > Yes. But if you cannot be polite and *RESPECTFUL*, you won't get > > anywhere > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > This is Linux, not Windows. But that also means that those developers > > that > > > > you denigrate aren't getting paid by you, and if you don't show them > > > > respect, they'll totally ignore you. > > > > > > > > Linus > > > > > > Now this is the old problem about it all: the hypocricy factor, the > > utmost small, if not to say pre-pubertarian character plus some other > obviously > > counter-productive character traits in those so-called "maintainers" who > > behave like kids, but not like grown-ups at all! > > > Not only you, but also Andrew perfectly and willingly step into the > > hypocritic trap and do not even feel that they are trapped! > > > > > > For the majority of all cases of the so-called "maintainer personnel" at > > linuxtv.org the statement of some missing "politeness" or some missing > > "respect" is nothing but an utmost dumb, kiddish, human mediocre and > utmost > > stupid and utmost hypocritic excuse for bare naked incompatibility, > dumbness, > > wrong solidarity, kiddishness and technical incompetence. > > > > > > They are building up pseudo-authorities to hide their lack of > > competence, no matter if their lack of competence funds on technical or > human lacks. > > > And at least the Brazilian Mauro Carvalho Chehab does go even so far to > > soap in Andrew Morton's face with this enourmous threat of incompetence, > > kiddishness, incompatibility, hypocricy, lies, stigmatisations, > stubbornness, > > lack of experience, pre-pubertarian behaviour, fascistoid opinion > > dictatorship as part of a deep immature anti-democratic and reactionary > personality > > structure. > > > > > > Would you call Mauro Carvalho Chehab a maintainer! > > > I can certify you that I cannot, even if I try. And I want him to be > > substituted as quick as possible as he is the biggest mismatch of > gatekeeper > > one can ever imagine. > > > > > > And it is not only me personally perceiving this that there are people > > missing who can go upright and offer sophisticated and good work. > > > Plus a real sophisticated discussion behaviour, in technical and in > > human terms. > > > Going upright is thus far away from the behaviour NOT to be able to > > tolerate any criticism at all. > > > > > > Solution: This whole new quite young linuxtv.org team is missing a real > > grown up and experienced team leader. Not only that is definitely too much > > for Mauro Carvalho Chehab. That is the pain - the consistence of the whole > > group is the pain, that's all. Too young, too many lacks of human skills, > > and missing an appropriate team leader............. > > > > > > So, if I show respect or not, or if I show politeness or not will never > > change the whole structural situation at all, as great parts of the whole > > team is a disease: > > > 1. By Chehab being the team leader the whole fish stinks from the head > > startup. > > > Solution: Substitution of Mauro Carvalho Chehab as quick as possible - > > even quicker than a storm! > > > 2. By Krufky being one part of it, doing good work, but executing wrong > > solidarities by his bowing behaviour towards pseudo-authorities although > he > > knows better at least technically this is a question of wrong or right > > leadership, nothing else > > > 3. By Abraham offering us great ranting aims that never are being put > > into practice out of certified missing human skills and missing technical > > knowledge (the four completely unusable 2.6 kernels were never apologized > by > > himself) urgent substitution is utmost necessary. > > > > > > CLEARER: If anyone of the people knowing the deeper context claims those > > "gatekeeper methods" to be a consequence of missing "respect" or missing > > "politeness" then those people are either strictly dumb and superficial, > or > > they owe a gesture that I would call a "Well, I know, but I do not want to > > see what's going on"-disease, nothing else. > > > > > > Another term to describe the latter would be "bureaucratic lamb head > > behaviour". > > > > > > See, Linus, if for instance Andrew Morton mails me some statement from > > that Chehab going: "Again, do not take the patches from Uwe - he is always > > regarding things through his personal prisma, and the rest he simply does > > not perceive at all" > > > > > > then this is nothing but a gesture full of lies (somehow typical for > > this Brazilian fascistoid opinion block head dictator), but it simply > shows > > that the linuxtv.org teamleader is a horrible mismatch, nothing else! > > > > > > His mediocrity and dumbness simply defines through the fact that he is > > using stigmatizations very soon in a so-called "discussion" because he > > misses > > > a. human skills > > > b. technical proven arguments and theses > > > c. enough experience, human or technical one. > > > > > > And the biggest threat and shame is the proven fact that Andrew Morton > > does obey to such a stupid reactionary idiot and let his face soap in by > > this dirty Brazilian hypocrite instead of giving contributions at least a > > chance through his mm-tree. > > > > > > So there are exactly two solutions: > > > 1. Andrew Morton should not obey to Chehab anymore and be real open > > > 2. Chehab and Abraham should be substituted as quick as possible without > > any hesitation in no way!!!! > > > > > > The one that got to be fired with the most urgent priority is called > > Mauro Carvalho Chehab. This is no maintainer, this is no gatekeeper, but > this > > is nothing but a real personified ape or disease. > > > > > > And the argument whether those people are paid for their work or not is > > exactly as important as if a sack of rice falls down somewhere in > > capitalist China or not..... > > > OBSOLETE!!! > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > Uwe > > > > > > > If eventually somebody thinks this kind of stuff could be helpful, > > please say so and give us some pointers. > > > > Hermann > > > Hi Hermann, > > now if you are searching for helpful stuff I can make public a ten Emails > ping pong > betwwen stupid Chehab and me about my almost excellent dst-deselection patch > contributions. > > In this ten Emails you will yourself see the intellectual and technical > proof in how far Mr. Chehab is acting with nothing else but: > > a. Lies > b. Unproven thesis > c. Stigmatizations > > and so on. > > THIS MAN HAS NO IDEA, BUT HE HAS THE POWER! > > That's it what I cannot live with! > I swear I never stumbled over such an utomst stubborn, stupid and horrible > idiot in my whole year lasting Linux experience, and I thought I could not > trust my eyes when I saw what incredible crap work was pushed into mainline > by the signature of this > incredible and horrible team chief from Brazil. > > If you want to see the Emails, just ask me and I will forward them with a > couple of CCs. They will show the truth about the real consistence of this > "maintainer leader". >
Uwe,
which patches do you refer to? Can you submit a list of your patches which got no attention (I'm only interested in the patches, not in discussions you had)
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