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    SubjectRe: "Re: [PATCH 0/2] Colored kernel output (run2)" + "`Subject:' usage"
    Oleg Verych wrote:
    > Hallo, Ingo.
    > On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 08:07:07AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:

    > To clarify. `Scrollback' here is *useful* scrollback during early boot
    > and OOPs (which is absent, AFAIK), "nothing like that" is coloring of the
    > messages by loglevel.
    >> even if it were true (which it isnt), that is not an argument against
    >> including a useful change that exists now and that people are interested
    >> in.
    > Coloring isn't useful. If it was, it would be implemented ~16 years ago.

    So anything that wasn't implemented a decade ago is not useful? Virtual
    machines, software raid, fair scheduling, jumbo packets, SMT/SMP/NUMA
    support, support for >4GB physical memory on x86, all fluff?
    >> (and yes, i have implemented kernel console improvements in the past
    >> and vga scrollback support was in fact amongst one of my first ever
    >> Linux kernel hacks so your comment is doubly wrong.)
    > This `scrollback' is usual late boot / console one. If fact useful,
    > until first tty switch or if `screen` cannot be used. But for some
    > reason if scrolling region (DECSTBM) is less than whole screen, nothing
    > works. And if width set to odd number of columns
    > `stty columns $((80-1))`
    > whole output becomes somewhat funny.

    I think by the time you get up enough to be running ill-advised commands
    from shell, you are past "early boot." Your comments about scrollback
    not working right if you break it are hopefully an attempt at humor.

    Bill Davidsen <>
    "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
    the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
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