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On Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:39, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 01:31:46AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > On Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:05, Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 00:31 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 07:38:31AM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > > > > Hi.> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 22:35 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, 26 September 2006 22:14, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 12:45:00AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > > > > > >...> > > > > > > > solid)> > > > > > > > apart from HIGHMEM64G fiasco, and related agpgart fiasco long > > > > > > > > time before that... these are driver problems... > > > > > > > >...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One point that seems to be a bit forgotten is that driver problems do > > > > > > > actually matter a lot:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I for one do not care much whether I can abort suspending (I can always > > > > > > > resume) or whether dancing penguins are displayed during suspending - > > > > > > > but the fact that my saa7134 card only outputs the picture but no sound > > > > > > > after resuming from suspend-to-disk is a real show-stopper for me.> > > > > > > > > > Agreed that some things are more important than others. But to some > > > > > people, user interface does matter. After all, we want (well I want) > > > > > people considering converting from Windows to see that free software can > > > > > be better than proprietary stuff, not just imitate what they're doing. > > > > > > > > > > Suspend2 doesn't actually provide dancing penguins while suspending - > > > > > it's a simple progress bar in either pure text or overlayed on an image > > > > > of your choosing.> > > > > > > > > > The support for aborting is really just fall out from the work on > > > > > debugging and testing failure paths.> > > > >...> > > > > > > > Sorry if this sounded as if I was against improvements of suspend. > > > > That was not my intention.> > > > > > > > But as long as there are driver problems, suspend as a whole can not be > > > > called solid. The core itself might be solid or not, but without working > > > > drivers this doesn't buy users much.> > > > > > > > A user might be impressed by a progress bar on a nifty image, but if one > > > > or more of his drivers have problems with suspend the user won't get a > > > > good impression of Linux.> > > > > > > > How many driver problems with suspend are buried in emails and > > > > Bugzillas (will problems like kernel Bugzilla #6035 ever be debugged?)?> > > > > > I fully agree. One of the largest issues I'm regularly dealing with is > > > people reporting problems with drivers.> > > > Well, can we please have these reports forwarded to LKML or placed > > in the bugzilla?> > The main question is:> > Who will track these bugs, debug them (who is e.g. responsible for > kernel Bugzilla #6035?) and repeatingly poke maintainers to fix such > issues?> > If you are saying you will do this job, I can try to redirect such bug > reports to the kernel Bugzilla, create a "suspend driver problems" meta > bug there, assign it to you and create the dependencies that it tracks > the already existing bugs in the kernel Bugzilla. Yes, please do this. [I must say I'm a bit afraid of that but anyway someone has to do it ... ;-)] Greetings, Rafael -- You never change things by fighting the existing reality. R. Buckminster Fuller - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ | ||||||||||||
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