Messages in this thread | ![/](/images/icornerl.gif) | | Date | Thu, 18 May 2006 21:31:08 +0200 (CEST) | From | linux cbon <> | Subject | Re: replacing X Window System ! |
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--- Thierry Vignaud <tvignaud@mandriva.com> a écrit :
> linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr> writes: > > > Why dont we have "good" 3D support in X ? > > no documentation how to program nvidia 3d chips? > or for the very latest ati chips? > or from the XYZ vendor? > ....
What do you think about this :
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=114738577123893&w=2
But let me be clear -- the X developers are a bunch of shameless vendor-loving lapdogs who sure are taking their time at solving this > 10 year old problem! They spend way more time chasing the latest vendor binary loaded device driver, than they do solving this obvious problem. (Translation: They don't want to change how X works, because it would break the vendor binary drivers from ATI and NVIDIA. That is part of what happens when X developers get jobs at vendors).
They've had 10 years, and yet every year they get more entrenched in the entirely insecure model of "gigantic process running as root, which accesses registers like mad".
This problem is ENTIRELY the X group's fault! They have failed us. Ten years ago they were laughing at Microsoft for moving their video subsystem into their kernel, but now the joke is on the X developers, because what Microsoft did solved all these driver security problems!
This is 100% an X server bug. It is not a hardware bug, and it is not an operating system bug.
and this
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=114233317926101&w=2
Some of our architectures use a tricky and horrid thing to allow X to run. This is due to modern PC video card architecture containing a large quantity of PURE EVIL. To get around this evil the X developers have done some rather expedient things, such as directly accessing the cards via IO registers, directly from userland. It is hard to see how they could have done other -- that is how much evil the cards contain.
> "belong to the OS" != "belong in the kernel" > and where do you put the boundary of the OS? most > people don't say > that the OS is only the kernel...
Dont play with words. You know I meant graphics do belong to the kernel. I didnt mean graphics belong to gnu tools.
> like if xorg wasn't trying to improve x11 status > (slowly trying to > isolate priviliged stuff, introducing xcb, ...)
See above.
> > What is your opinion ? > > stop troll^h^h^h^h^h thread?
If I am a troll, then who are Theo or Linus ?
Thanks
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