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    SubjectRe: Lifetime of flash memory
    >> Due to the multiplexing scheme used in high-density NAND flash devices,
    >> even the non-programmed cells are exposed to a fraction of the programming
    >> voltage and there are very low limits on the number of write cycles to
    >> a page before it has to be erased again. Exceeding that can cause some
    >> unwanted bits to change from 1 to 0. Typically, however, it is enough
    >> to write each 512-byte portion of a page independently.

    > Well, I'm not sure. The Toshiba and Samsung NANDs I've read manuals for
    > seem to limit number of writes to a single page before block erase, --
    > is 512-byte portion some implementation detail I'm not aware of?

    No. I just meant that I generally see "you may program each 2K page a
    maximum of 4 times before performing an erase cycle", and I assume the
    spec came from 2048/512 = 4, so you can program each 512-byte sector
    separately. I would assume if the page size were changed again, they'd
    try to keep that property.

    E.g. from the Samsung K9K8G08U1A/K9F4G08U0A data sheet (p. 34):


    The device is programmed basically on a page basis, but it does
    allow multiple partial page programming of a word or consecutive
    bytes up to 2,112, in a single page program cycle. The number
    of consecutive partial page programming operations within the
    same page without an intervening erase operation must not exceed
    4 times for a single page. The addressing should be done in
    sequential order in a block.
    The internal write verify detects only errors for "1"s that are
    not successfully programmed to "0"s."

    >> Now, erasing is done in larger units called BLOCKs. This is more
    >> variable, but a power of two multiple of the page size. 32 to 64 pages
    >> (16 k for small page/32-page blocks to 128K for large page with 64-page
    >> blocks) is a typical quantity. You can only erase a block at a time.

    > Typical? Are you aware of a "large page" NAND FLASH with different
    > number of pages per block? It's not just curiosity, it's indeed
    > important for me to know if there are CF cards in the market with
    > physical block size != 128K.

    No, I'm not aware of any violations of that rule; I just hadn't looked
    hard enough to verify that it was a rule, but I had seen the device ID
    bits that allow a wide range to be specified.

    The "more variable" statement is really based on NOR flash experience,
    where it truly does vary all over the map.

    > [... skip interesting and nicely put details of NAND technology ...]

    Hopefully this makes descriptions like the start of the Samsung data
    sheet more comprehensible:

    Product Information

    The K9F4G08U0A is a 4,224 Mbit (4,429,185,024 bit) memory
    organized as 262,144 rows (pages) by 1,112x8 columns. Spare
    64x8 columns are located from column address of 2,048-2,111.
    A 2,112-byte data register is connected to memory cell arrays
    accomodating data transfer between the I/O buffers and memory
    during page read and page program operations. The memory array
    is made up of 32 cells that are serially connected to form a
    NAND structure. Each of the 32 cells resides in a different page.
    A block consists of two NAND structured strings. A NAND structure
    consists of 32 cells. Total 1,081,244 NAND cells reside in
    a block. The program and read operations are executed on a page
    basis, while the erase operation is executed on a block basis.
    The memory array consists of 4,086 separately erasable 128K-byte
    blocks. It indicates that the bit-by-bit erase operation is
    prohibited on the K9F4G08U0A.
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